So should I go for one of the DOVOs then?
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So should I go for one of the DOVOs then?
I thought you were getting a Conk as a grad present already. Just get it sharpened and that should be fine :)
Grad present? That makes it free doesnt it. Hell what are you waiting for, go get it. But chances are it will need to be honed. Have fun.
We haven't bought it yet, she just told me to pick out one and she'd get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoglahoo
That settles it then: Coltelleria d'arte e affilature di Livi Luca - Coltelli e rasoi artistici forgiati a mano | Mastro Livi e Luca Livi | Artistic Knives and razors :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TheMajor
Health warning: the price tag of a Livi may turn your girlfriend livid!
If you still haven't chosen a razor I would higly recomend you to look for one in
Introduction to razors
great service and great prices for vintage straight razors. My 2 pence of mind...
personally, i have a timor razor and a zeepk. i have had no problem out of either, the zeepk was my first, but i have had no problems keeping it sharp, true it doesnt hold up as long as the timor... but i shave daily and hone it on my bench strop with .25 micron diamond past every other week and strop it every other day on the regular leather strop.... up till recently i used a black arkansa stone to sharpen and straight to a zeepk strop for 40 odd swipes and it gave a good close shave. i hear allot of greif over the zeepk and really dont understand it, ya i had a dovo for awhile and theres a world of difference, but your talking about a ten to twenty dollar razor compared to over a hundred dollar one.... duhh point is i highly sugest a zeepk just know it does require a bit more maintance
There are heaps of great, vintage razors that can be had for less than $20 - but not new, you are right about thatQuote:
Originally Posted by center5150
you may have got that one out of a hundred that accidentally takes a great edge :D Many congrats if it's working for you, but there sure are a lot of negative reviews out there on the brandQuote:
Originally Posted by center5150
Go on please, your going 2 have to give a full review on it. Ill shave with a cheese grater and give a review as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by center5150
I never again want to hear the words 'highly' and 'Zeepk' (which doesnt even deserve a capital Z) in the same sentence.
The only time you would hear them is if you were to say: 'I highly suggest Zeepk should stop production. I cant believe the credit crunch hasn't eradicated them. Their must be a high demand for letter openers in Pakistan.' :):):)
Gentlemen,
I have never even heard of Zeepk razors. If I were to run into straight razor named Zeepk, I would instantly be reminded of the name Yugo — and tiptoe my way out.
Put another way, if I want to become a gentleman shaver and embrace the straight razor, I would start by buying a name brand from a vendor who offers it. A straight razor that is labeled Dovo, Thiers-Issard, Boker, and scores of other prominent names, should be good for starters.
Later, when I have learned the ins and outs of the straight razor world, then I can pursue the esoteric names.
But then I'm just a straight razor pilgrim — and will always be one.
Regards,
Obie
1) YES IT IS A FLUKEQuote:
Originally Posted by center5150
2) Like many point out, shave ready straights can also be purchased for the price you paid for the Zeepk. eg, I bought a Sheffield off the bay for less than $15. Honing is evidently free, but even if i couldnt, i could get it honed for around $15. Thats less than 30.
3) STOP SAYING I'D HIGHLY SUGGEST A ZEEPK. yours is obviously a fluke...Im not sure you even appreciate a proper shave as you've nothing to compare it to if u've only shaved with a zeepk, which up until this point I didnt even believe was possible without the use of hair removal cream as shave soap!
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Originally Posted by Scipio
Have you actually tried a Zeepk yourself? Or is your opinion formed by listening to other people's opinions?
I have not used a Zeepk myself, but I am a fan of another "cheapie" razor- the Double Arrow. It could easily be dismissed as cheap Chinese garbage, but in actuality it takes a very nice edge, and gives a nice shave.
The OP actually has used this kind of razor and reports, certainly not outstanding, but seemingly satisfactory results.
I remember there was a thread on here somewhere about a good use for a zeepk set. Someone dulled the razor and gave the set to his son as a practice razor, in preparation for the day he would one day shave.
I've never used a Zeepk myself so I have no experience with them, but even if one could be made to give a half-decent mediocre shave and end up getting the job done, it still probably wouldn't be the best recommendation for a newbie.
I still remember the first irritating shave I gave myself with my new Dovo, if that was the result of inexperience with a highly regarded razor, I shudder to think of the shave that a not so highly regarded razor would give to a newbie.
The point of this post I guess is just to say that a cheapo razor which MIGHT be able to give some semblance of a shave may discourage a newbie who uses it as their first razor. We all had hard enough times getting decent shaves with our Dovo, W&B, TI, etc, why add another variable of a possibly crappy razor to the equation?
Unfortunately, yes I have tried a Zeepk. I then purchased a Dovo and learned to hone. I tried to hone the Zeepk, which never took a great edge and proceeded to shave with the damn thing. It pulled and pulled and gave about the same clarity as a Braun electric razor. I had to strop up the Dovo to get BBS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphim
This was long before my collection of Sheffields evolved. See all the best things are made in the UK!!
I tried it as a letter opener, but I don't open enough letters to need one, so in the end I gave it to a friend who thought it would be a cool piece of junk to have. No idea where it is now...hopefully recycled into something useful, but thats my oddessey of the Zeepk.
Its never wise to pay to little for something, as one bears the risk of paying to correct it, and I should have bought the Dovo initially. But in the early days of str8ing, 30 odd dollars seems a reasonable price, as its more than a mach 3 plus cartridges.
In conclusion, I do not consider Zeepks shave worthy, and I dont understand why they dont try and improve them at least to make entry level str8s. I still wouldnt buy one regardless! Same way if MacDonalds improved I still wouldnt buy a big mac. Bad name for life
I have learned alot since then
OK, fair enough!Quote:
Originally Posted by Scipio
Lot's of folks bash stuff based on other's opinions of the item in question. Since you suffered the result yourself, I welcome, and value the feedback!
(not that I was about to go out and buy a Zeepk either way!.....)
:)
I think people were just worried that newbies are going to read this and think to themselves, "HA! i knew those guys were wrong. time to order my 7 day zeepk set and send it to lynn". ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphim
Seraphim has a point though...
Perhaps we should go into the Wiki and actually "Initial" off on the "Razors to Avoid" list.. Put your name, and say I tried it... Lynn probably can do 90% of them himself :)
There are several that I have taken on just as a challenge to see what happens, and some are as he says "shaveable razors"
As a side note, YES, I have tried not on one, but on two Zeepk's, and no I would not by any stretch of the imagination call them shaveable...
"center5150" has a freak of nature IMHO one razor that somehow got the right grind to shave....
see being able to hone it makes a big difference i dont know about others on this site, but until i was sure i was going to like a straight i was not about to invest in good stones and such, meaning when i bought my first razor i had my black arkansa and that was as high grit as i could get my hands on... also besides maybe getting a barber to hone it i personally dont know of any razor honing service in my area, i could offcourse jsut be ignorant to them... but again a dovo or other such big brand is a big investment for something youve never used and not sure your going to like
Well looks like Zeepk have a first satisfied customer. Mazel tov, you've made history
ya apparently, lol im not going to lie i was plenty worried when i ran across all the bad reviews waiting on it to come in
Can you honestly attain BBS with the Zeepk and without irritation? How does it compare to a cartridge razor in terms of shave quality?
You actually have some good points (though I remain to be convinced by the Zeepk love) but, as a '21 year old full time college student?, please start posting properly. ie Use the shift key and paragraph your messages (please). It makes it so much easier to read. Perfection is unnecessary, pick holes in my grammar at your leisure.
Sorry if this is pompous (honest).
I was having a very hard time reading this thread. Also with it being over a year old and brought back to life by a zeepk admirer, I was beginning to believe the "5150" part of your name.
Although I do not agree with zeepk quality or using an Arkansa stone would achieve the results that I am looking for, if it works for you enjoy. I'm not buying it.
I got my vintage Wostenholm for $12. Stropped on newspaper.
Cheaper, and better, than your confounded Zeepk.
Even if you managed to get the only good Zeepk ever made, you can't possibly recommend them to friends... they aren't in the least bit consistent!
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And I'm going to step out a little here... you made a power stropper, you get good shaves from a Zeepk, you only post in controversy to established standards... I'm calling B.S.
well, do what you want and thats not all i have posted in, i joined up yesterday went through the forums, and those are two of the threads i checked out because they are ones i actually have some sort of experience with enough to post much on, most of the other ones i just read through tried to pick up hints and such
also if youll also notice the power stropper thread was closed, it was (i guess i can understand why) dangerous and the moderators did not want the idea promoted.
oh and ya i do have horrible grammar and am far to lazy to do much in the way of punctuation and such
Shaves as well as a mach3? Wow! Where can I get one???
:confused:
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Originally Posted by center5150
In other terms, too lazy to communicate like an intelligent, rational being. That pretty well screws your chances in life... Seriously. The shift and punctuation keys don't hurt... and will dramatically improve your life experience.
all over ebay or google zeepk, though im sure your being ironic as you can tell from this thread my opinion is not very widely shared amongst the other members, but then again thats why its mine not theres
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Originally Posted by center5150
One last thing: I think the grammar and syntax of a person say a lot about their standards and abilities in life. Attention to detail and propriety show a strength of character and maturity; your laziness in this area shows a disregard for even simple standards.
I suggest that your standards in shaving may be on par with other benchmarks you have set for yourself....
Since you have a Zeepk phenomenon occurring you should offer to allow this razor to go on tour to all those who wish to pay for shipping. Then clean it and send it back.
:fim:
Welcome to the forum, but you may want to hit the newbie section and the Wiki a little harder. Maybe a formal introduction before jumping into the fray. I understand brand loyalty, but with posting new stuff on an old post promoting what most find as inferior, is a little controversial.
I understand the firearm relation as well, for most enthusiasts would never touch a Hi-Point firearm. What they are missing is a fantastic carbine rifle at a very affordable cost.
With that scenario in mind, I do not expect my Hi-Point to maintain accuracy and functionality through thousands and thousands of rounds compared to say, a Berreta carbine. But it is fun to use in the meantime.
Same thing goes with razors, you get what you pay for. If it is working for you now, enjoy it while it lasts. At least until you can afford the higher grade equipment.
For me, my face deserves better. As for firearms, own as many boomsticks as you can and get as wide a variety as well.
The use of paragraphs is already of great assistance, thank you:).Quote:
Originally Posted by center5150
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Originally Posted by center5150
Do note that everything you write here is being permanently recorded for posterity, indexed by Google, and promoted in thousands of servers worldwide. There is nothing you could ever write that will leave as long-lasting an impression as something you post on the internet; unless, of course, you are using pigeon English to disguise the fact that you are really Sir Francis...
Cheez, you're joking? Vows never to post anything, ever again, anywhere. That last sentence may not be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by BKratchmer
Brand loyalty? Wade & Butcher, Wade & Butcher, Wade & Butcher, Wade & Butcher...as good as they were 180 years ago when the Sheffielders forged them..their long gone, but their blades still remain keen and shaving for many more generations to come! Hail the maltese cross!
A bit of patriotism also. Im from England where they were made.
The last time a post was made on this thread prior to your first posting yesterday was 6-20-2008.Quote:
Originally Posted by center5150
As for "retooling", Hi-point has a "no questions asked send it back they will fixit lifetime warranty" It doesn't get any easier than this.
Now please, Go to the newbie section and formally introduce yourself. Your member page has been visited by many mods and mentors, probably trying to figure out if you are a troll or sincere. Start at the beginning and work your way to being a "pompous a$$" like me. :)
Good day, I have no more, the last word is yours sir.
now i know for sure you a pompus little thing arent ya? personally what i posted on a shave forum will probably never matter again in life, and honestly anyone with such a superiority complex as to really make a decision on the value of another person based on the way they right in a social setting, well at the risk of offending a moderator if you put your nose back down you might notice the unpleasent smell of the place you currently have your head stuck
oh and also i write in the form made on the internet be glad i actually spell out most of my words because if you havent notice informal written english has changed a bit in the past ten odd years ya know since the internet exploded out everywhere and written comunications moved faster than snail mail you twit
I think the reason a lot of the members here use a straight (myself included) is because it incorporates into our lives a little slice of the past, when things were made better and we didn't have this crazy disposable McCulture that we have today.
A straight razor takes longer to shave with, has one heck of a learning curve, and for a great deal of members here, is much more expensive than using a cartridge. Why do we continue to use a straight razor then? Refer to the thread 'why shave straight' for reasons.
A Zeepk razor is an insult to people who wish to get away (at least briefly) from our disposable society where everything is made to last a year or two and then be replaced by another poorly made product.
When I buy a brand new Dovo, TI, etc. I know that I can bring the edge to a sharpness level that will give me a superlative shave better than any cartridge razor. The reason for this is because they were made well and with the straight shaving consumer in mind.
When I buy a Zeepk razor, it's going to be a crapshoot on whether I can even get the edge to a shave-worthy sharpness and if it will stay there or not. It's simply a mass-produced piece of novelty steel that is nowhere near the same quality of a new or vintage straight from more reputable brands.
As far as "pompousness" goes, this board has some of the nicest members who will go out of their way to help you, I think you will find instances of pompousness few and far between.
Just realize that a large number of us are seeking quality and not simply a way to save money. If using a cheap straight razor is your way to save money from buying cartridges all the time, there's nothing wrong with that, but for a lot of us that's only a secondary concern (or not a concern at all).