I got this and really no idea what it could be.Any idea's .it has made in Germany and some writhing i cleaned up wrightings gone.
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I got this and really no idea what it could be.Any idea's .it has made in Germany and some writhing i cleaned up wrightings gone.
How do you go about honing that Sham? It's odd because there's no direct line from spine to edge.
I have no idea but what an interesting grind. No flexing while shaving with that blade. That looks like it would be a challenge to hone ? Have you shaved with it Sham ?
no i just got it clean it and this doesn't have any hone wear etc .looks like new.I am wondering is this straight razor or something else.
will try to hone in couple days.i have a lot razor to be honed before this one.
An experiment??????
A non-disposable?????
Look out, I'm crackin' myself up..................
:roflmao
Lynn
Could it be a blank that was never ground? :shrug:
You could sharpen it the way you hone chisels by hand*. Lay the blade on the hone and roll it until the edge makes contact. Then find a way to hold it that maintains that position. Might be difficult to do normal laps, you'd likely have to do a bunch of strokes on one side then flip it over, do a bunch on the other side, and so on.
* This video might be useful.
(From this page if the video doesn't show.)
My first thought was "where is the frameback" ????
Could there be a spine piece that goes on there that is missing?????
I'd send it to Lynn to hone. It's only $20.00 :D
Look at the way that metal shimmers and flows! It's a Chronik, for sure. No need to hone those, they refresh their edge to shave-sharp perfection using the beams of the full moon. Just leave it on your window sill once every 29/30 days.
James.
what ever it is, im loving it.
It appears to be some kind of easter/western blade.
When you sharpen a Sashimi knife you life the knife up onto the blade surface. Same here. My guess is that it was an experiment to see if you could get a better edge off of a grind like that.
Curious though. Is the angle from the belly to the bevel 17 degrees or is it greater?
:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
I'm going to venture an opinion on this one. Feel free to laugh at me if you think it way off base.
Since it is obvious that is in no way a finished razor. It is possible that this was meant as an instructional piece for people learning to grind razors and that it illustrates one of the steps along the way to grinding a blank down into a finished razor. And, if this is so, the handle is only there to serve as a convenient means of keeping this safe in the instruction box.
OK, now you laugh :D
Well, after some extra consideration, even this wild idea doesn't make sense. I'm really beginning to suspect that this is NOT a German razor. It is stamped on the front of the tang with that? No way! Plus... NO jimps and the spine and tang don't really have much form at all. I'm going to have to throw my vote along with those who think this item is either Chinese or Pakistani.
Weird one, though...
It sure is unique, whatever it is. :confused:
it's certainly cool whatever it is.
a microtome maybe? [that's my answer for anything that looks like a razor but isnt']
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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
That cracked me up!
Nah, it's too thick and bevelled on both sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by loueedacat
Must be a macrotome. :p
EDIT> Bah! There is such a thing as a macrotome, stupid facts getting in the way of my pun. :-(
this is really not easy to hone.i should go same as knife sharpening.at least needs 50 layers of tape if i use it to rich that angle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Red
You might be on the track here ... but not an aid for grinding but for teaching barbers... a nice dull (or at least it looks blunt) shape so they can practice the strokes of shaving. lets face it if they practice with sharp devises.. they need lots of customers... if they are just removing lather and then re-lathering... you can learn the strokes without needing dozens of people to shave... and it does look a lot like the shavette style bladeQuote:
Originally Posted by ignatz
and yes that cheesy "made in Germany" can be authentic.
Everything about this blade says "medical". No jimps anywhere, smooth lines, no frills anywhere, very thick, stout grind. I place it somewhere between a microtome and the much thicker, pure wedge shaped blades used to chop up cadavers.
Just my $.02,:)
English posted this link to the Sheffield University's Ken Hawley collection article on "Open Razors". Note the menu on the right of the page to navigate.
On the page on "hollows and grinding" it shows this photo. Note the next to last "half rattler". It seems to me to resemble the mystery grind ?
Randy no words medical it had only company name which is wiped out when i was cleaning.i didn't notice even.i checked it was gone.at least i could wright down name of it:gaah:
Thanks Jimmy! I had not looked at that web site for a long time. It definitely does look like a "Half Rattler" grind.
What I really liked was the drawing of the "Rattler" grind. I have a number of razors with that grind. Many of us have been referring to that grind as a "Frameback" which it obviously is not. A true Frameback has a blade that is inserted into a slot that has been milled into the spine. The exception is a razor that has had the "spine"( honing guide) pressed over the back of the blade. I call that a "Poor Mans Frameback".
Just my $.02 this snowy Sunday morning,:)
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Originally Posted by Rajagra
I concur: we shouldn't speak of a 'weird grind' as there is no grind in this razor. Look at the wavy 'grind' line in the first pic, or the reflection line in the second: this razor wasn't ground, I venture it was cast in this shape. (Compare cut crystal glass ware as opposed to cheaper cast crystal for similar characteristics.)Quote:
Originally Posted by ignatz
The question is: what's the use of a cast, not hammered, unground razor in a shape that is both difficult to hone and without obvious advantages? If it were unfinished, why stamp it with 'made in Germany' (but not with any trade name or mark)? I'd say it's a blank for demonstration purposes (further subdivisions: barber school, sales, production, cinematographic/stage use), or for play.
Nonetheless: very interesting find!
It does look a little like the "half-rattler" diagram, but you can make out concave shoulders on the diagram and a possibly a hollow grind below them to the lower part of the blade - Sham's doesn't look like that at all. I know it's only a quick pencil sketch, but I would reckon that the spine and the blade edge would still touch the stone at the same time.
Regards,
Neil