What do you guys think?
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What do you guys think?
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Doesn't look like any blade i've seen. You'd imagine that the maker would be proud enough to stamp their name on it, if it was any good though, wouldn't you?
With regard to the stamping their name... There is a company out there that makes legitimate Solingen razors that has no name per se. This is why I ask.
Done.......
Now days they are getting tough. hard to figure this out . it is original or fake. until we buy one and try it will be really difficult to find out. gl
Straight Razors made in Solingen
razors - NTS-Solingen Web-Shop - scissors and knifes made in Solingen
switchblade, scissors, swords, automatic knives, straight razor, woodworking chisels....
Here are some that are legit with no maker. The Rostfrei- Inox reminds me of the Dovo tang stamp. Also on the one website their shavettes look exactly like Dovo Shavettes.
Could be fine then. Depending on the price it might be worth the gamble?Quote:
Originally Posted by khaos
Of your examples though, the first one is a trusted source, but does back up the lack of maker. The other two, are they not NTS & First Class? The NTS ones are not pretty!
i am not sure but i will say check the shank of this sites. they looks like engraved words? is that right?
Solingen is a registered trademark AFAIK so it should be made in Solingen. However, cheap imitations abound in this world so I would not be surprised if it is Pakistani junk after all. It looks el cheapo somehow.
So I voted for real Solingen: so don't :gwh: if I get it wrong.
The tang is probably accurate. Originally it was going to be made in Solingen, Germany, but it turned out they could do it cheaper in Pakistan!
NTS could be a brand now that I think about it.
First Class is a popular goldwash on a lot of Solingen blades. I believe Dovo uses it a lot.
at $1 I might have to try lol.
Hm..., if it cost 1 U$D, give it a try.
As for the manufacturing, and stamping: I red somewhere, that the German law says: If the razor/knife/scissors, etc. was ASSEMBLED in solingen, the factory is allowed to mark it as a Solingen blade.
So, if the blade was forged in China, pakistan, or anywhere else, but they put the scale on in Solingen, the can legally sell it as made in solingen.:cry:
I had heard this too, and believed that only applied to handles. Hmmm. The thing is it sonly a $1, but plus $5 shipping its $6, and 2x $6 is $12, which is what I can get a nice vintage Solingen for if I look hard enough...
The seller is also selling Hen & Rooster blades for $60, and this particular Solingen in question he wants $30 for so... but he is also selling Szco. the H&R are legit, apparently ground by Dovo, the Szco are the worst **** ever, and so now we have a mystery in the middle. Hmmm.
I wouldn't pay 30 bucks for a mystery razor...Quote:
Originally Posted by khaos
If I were you I would do the 2 for 12 deal and see how it pans out. If you do, please keep me informed even if no one else is interested. I've often wondered if any of the ultra budget blades out there are in fact passable but can't afford to take the risk right now.
Jeez, can't say here. There's an old time knife shop near me that has similar blades but i just can't bring myself to make the jump. Not least because the vintage blades sold on the nearby flea market are a fraction of the price. I really want to use the shop too, I haven't seen one like that since I was a kid (a long time ago).
@ SavantStrike- budget blades- This will get me shot by other members (:gwh:)
but
I have heard the people are getting good/passable shaves off of these blades, which are all chinese/probable chinese:
Double Arrow
Sanguine Coolcut 2
Fromm
Never used them, and I'm no expert. But if you start looking around here you'll find that people who have tried them find they work (and in some cases are even good), though YMMV.
If you're on a slightly larger budget, a Wapi or cheap Dovo may be better though.
I was in Cape Town recently & stumbled over this place. It looked wonderful & i was so excited that my wife took me in. Very nice & helpful, but what a disappointment. They had another blade too. It had been ground with 80 grit or something & left at that. Scales didn't fit, wonky grind, blade wasn't centred & it looked like you wouldn't pay $5 for it. The final insult was that it was R1 500 ($180)! I couldn't even bring myself to buy anything else as it was all so expensive.
funny you should mention Cape Town as I am South African. I might have my uncle step in there for me, unless everything is total junk.
Where from? My wife's South African. Latest trip over was the most amazing so far!
Everything was expensive in that shop & just not quite up to the luxury standards we seem to demand. They have nothing there you can't get cheaper where you are. It is nice to have a nose round though with a great atmosphere & it's at the waterfront, so nice location.
:OT :HJ
lol
Pretoria. Most of my family (and I obviously) have left due to the unfortunate slipping of social standards. I still have an uncle, aunt, a few cousins, and a set of grandparents who live in the Cape Town area. And yes Cape Town is beautiful and an amazing vacation spot, actually, amazing to live too I guess, but for beauty you cannot beat the veld. My dad + family were born and raised in Namibia and we would vacation there- stunning. My dad became a vet, specialised in large animals, and has since worked with a lot of game reserves, including the Kruger Park. I tell you what, the Bush is the place for me. However, Cape Town is definitely one of my top five favourite places in the world.
I just realised that "slipping of social standards" could seem racist, but I don't mean it this way, and I'm not going to change it. The crime rate has gone up, the school system has declined, the economy has declined (and is not being revived despite what people say), the government is one-party (I don't care who is in power so long as there is a balance), and America seemed like a good choice. And it seems it was. While the lifestyle is very different, and the general conclusion of my family is that we should've stayed in our beloved Africa in retrospect, here in America we can live without a security fence, without iron bars on our windows, with our doors unlocked, my younger brother playing with his friends in the street, and I think the ultimate is I am now attending Cornell University which is an opportunity I never would have had otherwise so.
:OT:HJ
Now you're doing it! I know what you meant, but it's safer to clarify.
Anyway... Buy it if you can get it cheap & report back!
Another thing: I got a razor (was the first straight - got from my wife), a 5/8 with round point, SS blade, plastic scales (really ugly ones-i mean the texture), horrible pinning, no manufacturer stamp, some goldwash on the blade. The guy in the store said it was made in solingen. I'm not sure about that (now, after some knowledge), but the fact is, that i can get average to good shaves with it. Of course, i had to make some honing on it, but it wasn't that bad. Oh, and it cost about 15 U$D.
I just wanted to share it, to have another point of view, and encourage people to give those cheaper things a try...
Dude, that blade's tang "stamp" is an etched decal. God only knows where that blade was forged.
Those are a vintage pair of scales, though, aren't they??
No they're actually quite common. Lots of companies are using them. I think they were vintage already but they're easy enough to make new so...
Looks like an old Fromm blank. Can it hold an edge? If its stainless it may be an old Soligen generic originally sold by Hoffritz. Big question is can it take an edge and hold it. Let us know. If it is a Pak opening a letter will tell. A good razor will still shave after that. A Pak wont.
From the Revisor site:Quote:
Originally Posted by mry314
Regulation for the Protection of the Solingen Name
(Solingen Regulation)
On the basis of § 137 of the law on trademarks of 25 October 1994 (German law gazette I 1994, p. 3082) the Federal Ministry of Justice decrees in agreement with the Federal Ministry of Economics, of Food, Agriculture and Forestry and of Health:
§ 1 Principle
The name Solingen may only be used in business for such cutting equipment which
- was processed and finished in all major stages of manufacturing in the Solingen industrial area and
- is able to achieve its characteristic intended use according to raw material and processing
§ 2 Region of Provenance
The Solingen industrial area includes the area of the urban commune Solingen and the area of the town Haan which is in the district of Mettmann.
§ 3 Definition of Cutting Equipment
Cutting equipment according to § 1 are in particular:
- Scissors, knives and blades of all types,
- Cutlery of all types and parts of such,
- Small equipment for table use such as cake slicers, cake-tongs, sugar-tongs,
grape scissors and serving cutlery,- Table utensils such as cigar cutters, letter openers, nutcrackers and cork screws as well as cutting kitchen tools such as tin openers and knife-grinders,
- Open razor, razor-blades, razors,
- Hair clippers and shaving machines,
- Manicure and pedicure equipment such as nail-files, cuticle and nail forceps, nail clippers and tweezers,
- Cutting and thrusting weapons of all kinds.
§ 4 Effective from
This regulation will come into effect on 1 January 1995.
Sorry for the mistake, maybe i saw the old regulation on an archive page.
JimR is right, the regulation ist, that it can't be a Solingen made blade if it wasn't forged in solingen.
IHK24 - Das Service-Center für die bergische Wirtschaft - Minimum Requirements for the Solingen Qualification
As for this "solingen like" razor, the scale is moulded plastic, not a vintage one. The blade itself is a quite good quality as i wrote, i can shave with it multiple times without any problem.
There was a Pakistani guy in Canada a few years back selling razors he purchased from a relative in the UK who had them shipped there from Pakistan. The razors he was selling didn't say Solingen but his advertising said they were from there. I reported him to the Solingen Knife Guild and their lawyer forced him to stop. I think they say they are "German quality" now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kees
I have sent a picture to someone who might know or might be able to find out about this one.
Thanks John
Otto Fromm Cutlery is an old German brand brand - Fromm International now own the Fromm brand and also Illinois Razor Strop Co. A few years ago Fromms were still being made in Germany and brought to the U.S.Quote:
Originally Posted by khaos
I asked a contact in Germany and he said the handles looked authentic but he has never seen a razor done like this. He asked me to find out who is marketing it. Where did it show up?
ebay LAWLZ
Compare the lines. This is one of the stainless generics circulating. Grab it! This is a top of the line blade.
"original solingen germany" sounds like what an urdu speaking maker would say in english to try to fake a german razor.
it's made in the original solingen, not the new one? cmon! any legit solingen generic would have a better english tang stamp than that.
I guess that is an eBay seller but nothing comes up when I search. Do you have a URL?Quote:
Originally Posted by khaos
No lol. LAWLZ= lols. Sorry. Its what I say when lol doesn't quite describe the sentiment. I do have a URL... but I'm debating buying it myself for a dollar, and there's only one so...Quote:
Originally Posted by John Crowley
I would think if it's made in Germany it would say made in Germany. Sometimes they just put germany or Solingen and the item is manufactured elsewhere and then imported into that region and certain operations are performed on it there and oaala it becomes a Solingen blade.
so someone else bid on it... so here's the link...
SOLINGEN STRAIGHT RAZOR ORIGINAL SOLINGEN STEEL NEW - eBay (item 390067344781 end time Jul-20-09 13:48:09 PDT)
if you check out his items there are Szco Razors, and the purple hen and rooster has the tell tale "TAN" mark on the back, if anyone is reading the other thread ass well.