Occasionally I read that a blade (usually an old English one) has been reground. To me this means a wedge blade has been hollowed.
How do I recognize a reground blade?
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Occasionally I read that a blade (usually an old English one) has been reground. To me this means a wedge blade has been hollowed.
How do I recognize a reground blade?
If done properly you can't :D
These were also done around the early 1900's...
If they have etch/stamps on the blade they were NOT reground for sure, not all did however, so it is not foolproof
If you see an Old Sheffield from the 1840s or the like in full hollow it was most likely re-ground.
As Bayamontate said, it's usually a matter of the grind not matching the period the blade appears to be from. Sometimes you get sort of rough looking stabalizers, but sometimes the grind looks totally pro.
unless Vlad reground then re-etched it!Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
Okay, I'll bite: when did cutlers learn how to hollow blades?
This is example of regroung blade. I bought it last year. http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...re-1830-a.html
http://traskrom.users.photofile.ru/p.../129982203.jpg
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Originally Posted by Durhampiper
Tuff question
I'll let the real history buffs give a date but you have to understand hollowing goes way back, just not more than about 1/4 hollow...
There are very, very, very, few true wedges there are tons of "near wedges" and "1/4 wedges / 1/4 hollows"...
I think what your asking is more when did 1/2 hollows & Full hollows become the rage ????
Case in point here is a very early Warranted look closely at the slight hollowing on the blade...
http://straightrazorpalace.com/custo...years-new.html
Well, I guess so. I thought I had read somewhere that the technology wasn't there until after 1800 sometime, but I'm probably mistaken.Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
I don't think the full hollows were being ground till the late 1800's. Maybe 1870's or 1880's?
I think Hollows have been around as long as the wheel(grinding wheel). For as long as there have been straight razors during industrial times, there had to have been hollows. Heavy, slightly hollowed, none the less hollow to some degree.
Some of these heavier grinds may turn into true wedges over time, and then they need to be reground for ease of sharpening.
How many true wedges came that way from the cutler have to be rare indeed. We know they exist because they are referenced in older books, but Glenn has uncovered a major point as to their scarcity.
Hate to drag up an oldish thread, but wanted to post this for posterity.
When you know a razor was not produced after a certain date, say 1830, but a thin, hollow ground, large jimp blade shows up with double shoulders, it's reground.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...s/DSC01829.jpg
The new blade shape fits completely into the old.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...s/DSC01830.jpg
Hollow grind vs. wedge. You can see the original wedge has plenty of steel to allow the spine to shrink.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...s/DSC01836.jpg
Identical logos. The regrind probably had John Barber written across the edge of the spine.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...s/DSC01837.jpg
Hopefully, you can see how much steel was lost along the length of the razor. It really is thinner.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...s/DSC01832.jpg
Useful? I doubt it, but I wanted to post it anyway. Maybe it'll help someone.
I agree, large hollowing can be done with primitive technology as long as the grinder is sufficiently skilled - just look at the profiles butch harner has made.
It appears to have become fashionable towards the late 1800s and of course there were new machines to make it require less skill than using just a simple wheel, and thus cheaper to produce.
On some razors you can tell just based on the line flow since a regrind rarely can completely eradicate the original master grind. Like the ivory barber in the post above.