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I picked up the razor at a gunshow for $20 and wonder if it is worth it. have found only 1 example of it on the internet on e-bay for $50. I can find no other information
is has Schneide Gehammert Bester Schwenden Stahl on the blade, Wald Soligen 3083, a shell stamp, and Eingetr. Silber Stahl ERN Germania on the tang
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Thanks
Should clean up well. i like Solingen blades, they make good shavers.
Looks to be a prime shaving candidate, with some skilled work. Good deal! ...get it on..... Tom
While I can't put a dollar value on it, it looks like this page may give you some good information. A web translaton page tells me that the inscription roughly translates to "Cutting edge hammered best Sweden steel."
I agree with TrilliumLT - it looks like it should clean up to make a good shaver - if the steel near the edge isn't too pitted.
Seems to be a decent price, maybe slightly more than it's worth, although it has potential.
You will need to get replacement scales, I'd go for old stock Dovo scales. If the dark spot on the toe on the mark side is pitting, it might take quite a bit to sand it out. Transparent nail polish on the etching and you're good to go. It also seems to have a slight frown and some chipping/pitting on the heel.
But with some TLC & elbow grease it should make a pretty good shaver, although I've never shaved with one. But ERN being/having been a relatively big manufacturer, I don't see why it would be a low standard blade. ERN is a relatively common Solingen brand I reckon, I see them popping up for sales regularly on various online auctions. It seems to be made of Swedish steel indeed, going by the etching/wash, don't know how 'hammering an edge' would work in reality.
Just my thoughts.
The tang is also marked ERN. It will be a great shaver when it's tuned up.
I'm wondering if there was a mistranslation here. I interpretted, "Cutting edge hammered best Sweden steel," as meaning, "this product is a top of the line (cutting edge) item made from the best steel forged in Sweden."Quote:
Originally Posted by Pithor
Not necessarily. Germany imported vast amounts of iron ore from Sweden (one razor maker whose name escapes me for the moment even had his own mine in the Swedish iron ore fields) - up to 60% at one time, as well as steel from Sheffield (which was also made incorporating Swedish iron ore) - it is calculated that they only made about 25% of their own steel for razors. During WW2 Germany imported prodigious amounts of ore from neutral Sweden, so much so the First Lord of the Admiralty proposed a blockade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duzzy
It was a problem in WW1 too - a paper of the time reckoned that the Swedish ore Germany was importing was twice as rich in metal as the native german iron ore, so if they used Swedish ore it would not only go further but release more germans to go to the front. The proposal was the same as Chuchill's - prevent Germany from importing Swedish ore at all costs.
The witowitz Iron Works, (old Austro-Hungarian company owned by the Austrian Rothschilds) had iron works and mines in Sweden - it was cheaper than the native ore even though it had to be moved 10 times further! In the 1890s they were bringing in from 30 - 40,000 tons of ore from Sweden.
As for hammering, all hand forged steel is hammered into shape, and even drop-forged steel is hammered by a mechanical hammer of sorts. Hammering makes a better product than can be had by casting.
Regards,
Neil
Good to know, thank you for the information.
When I was a 'saucepan lid' (kid) grubbing around the streets of post Victorian East London, we often used the word schneid, or snide for anything that was fake, or counterfeit.
Some of our slang came from the Jewish immigrants who settled in the area, so it's interesting to see how schneide (cut) became schneid (fake).
I still say 'kettle' for wristwatch and 'drum' for house, the explanations of the origins of those two slang words are so convoluted that I've given up looking.
Convoluted it certainly is! Not only that, but the old slang terms seem to be acquiring new meanings/definitions - thats how language grows though, I expect. Your 'Gregory' always used to be your neck when I was young ('Gregory Peck') but now it seems to mean a cheque - which we called a 'kite' ... its all gone a bit Pete Tong, if you know what I mean!
My dad was born to the sound of Bow bells, so I grew up with a lot of the old London slang. Most peoples take on 'kettle' comes from 'kettle and hob' as it rhymes with 'fob' for fob watch, but others say it is from 'kettle of Scotch' and to make things muddier a kettle is a 'Hansel' for making a cup of Rosy Lee...
The origins of 'snide' are quite interesting, and possibly just as obscure. In one sense it is sharp or cutting - as in a 'snide' remark. The cutting meaning of it is also carried over to schnied meaning 'fake' in the sense that it is a direct reference to the german 'schneideren' meaning cutting or clipping, because coins made from precious metal were cut or clipped and became worth less, or even worthless if carried to excess and noticeable.
'Drum' is far too convoluted, except to point out that the modern derivation (or more properly back-derivation) of 'Drum and Base' (your 'place') is too modern to account for the original meaning.
Regards,
Neil
Hi Neil, we always used 'kite' for a cheque, although 'Gregory Peck' rings a bell, your reference to 'Drum and Bass' is somewhat like the highjacking of 'Chav' which is Romany for child, but now is used as a term for stereotypical white, working class, uneducated, people with a penchant for fake designer items of clothing and jewelry.
I was born within spitting distance of the Tower of London, and my earliest memories were of my Nan taking me down the lane, she used to buy cloth and patterns from a stall to make dresses or 'frocks' as she liked to call them, I would look on in wonder at the blokes who used to run the crockery stalls, someone chucking a stacked china dinner service up in the air and catching the lot unbroken was a sight to behold, then would come the roll mop lady standing behind a wooden barrel full to the brim, and along from her a chap selling hot bagels threaded on broom handles.
The area was a mix of cockney rhyming slang, Yiddish, German, and some Russian and Polish. It smelt of all manner of foodstuffs, some fresh some not! Roll mops, haimisha cucumbers, bread, cheese, and some smells It would be better to leave in the past! Of course we had Tubby Issacks seafood stall, and Bloom's restaurant at Aldgate, and the Bagel shop in Brick lane, fresh hot bagels 24/7 and salt beef to die for.
Anyway mate, me Old Dutch has just give me a tinkle on the dog, to say she is coming down the frog with me pie 'n' mash, so I'd better wash me mitts an me boat and stick the kettle on for a cup of rosy.
here's me hand, and here's me heart, and I'll cop yer later.
John
Hi,
I wonder why no one mentioned that this is a rare MUSSEL Trademark SR of the ERN Company of Solingen-Wald. This trademark was used by ERN from the 1890s to the1930s.
The #3083 seems to have been produced in different sizes from 4/8in to 7/8in blades.
The following is my own 6/8in MUSSEL #3083 with a stronger tang.
This one was made for Export, so HAMMER FORGED is etched on the blade instead of SCHNEIDE GEHÄMMERT for the german market.
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For $20 you made a nice deal !
Greetings from Solingen
Rainer
