Looking for maker ID and information

Hey guys, I'm looking for help finding some history on a razor, and identifying the other. The all metal razor I've attached a picture of came in a box marked the same as the tang stamp -- Korff & Honsberg Remscheid, Marca Angelito, Solingen. Any info on the maker would be greatly appreciated.


The second razor is a bit of a mystery, the only markings on it are a crown (with the base toward the next mark) a medallion/ribbon of some sort (it looks more like that than a spiderweb or ship's wheel to me) and the text Cutrae A Langres. There's nothing on the other side, and the blade is not removable by any means I can see. I'm not sure what the scales are made of on this one, it looks to have some grain to it, and is fairly consistent in color. Again, any info would be greatly appreciated.

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Korff & Honsberg, Remscheid, Germany is in business since 1930s till now.
Korff & Honsberg GmbH & Co. KG
Daniel-Schürmann-Str. 41
DE-42853 REMSCHEID
Nordrhein-Westfalen
Germany

Can you make details photo of the stamp of the second razor?
Because, I see from here, that it's not "Cutrae". It's something like "Gu?rae".

This was the best shot I could get of the stamp. I tried to get a bit more contrast to compensate for the wear by rubbing the stamp with some graphite. Hopefully it helped.

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Manah, you were right, it seems to be GUERRE A LANGRES. I've never spoken French, and Google translate is limited in it's translational abilities, but I think I may have found the hallmark, a bit more than halfway down the page linked below. The site lists three dates -- 1818, 1862 and 1876 but I'm not sure what their significance is. Is there anyone familiar with the site who might be able to explain it further to me?

Les Marques des autres villes de France

I know this very informative website and saw the stamp there, but unfortunately, I'm not so friendly with French too, that's why I tried to look on your razor stamp more carefully.
The dates on this website are mean, when the company was listed in Langres, north-eastern France and the owners.

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Originally Posted by manah

The dates on this website are mean, when the company was listed in Langres, north-eastern France and the owners.

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So it's possible the razor is as old as the 1820's? It's too bad they don't list a date when the company ceased operations. Having done a search for the correct words now, I've seen photos of razors with CH in front of Guerre, which I'd imagine would indicate when Charles Guerre ran the company, perhaps excluding this example from the time frame 1862 to 1876...

1820s ...I'm not sure.
Yes, framebacks were in using since about 1820s, but the tail of your razor doesn't look like that time.
But 1850s-1870s possibly. It was frameback's time.:)