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Hey all,
I'm new to the forum and to the SR world. I just bought a Torrey razor and I'm excited to use it for the first time once I'm done restoring it.
I'm curious as to it's age. I'm a fan of antiques, especially stories. Is there a way to determine the age of the blade? I understand that they made razors through '64, is there a way to tell if it is older?
Good shaving,
SCMorgan
Not sure about how old it is, but I have a Torrey 199, it's a fantastic shaver :)
As a life long resident of MA and NH, I am interested in the history of this Worcester MA company. I have two Torreys, a 5/8 spike point and a "Swedish Razor" frame back model. Both razors have the arched tang label with the arrow through "US" in the center and both are good shavers. Good Torreys can still be found at reasonable prices.
As I recall from forum discussion, the arched tang label is from the early 20th century. Earlier tang labels were straight line print. I wish that I could find a catalogue and other documentation of the different models made over time and how to tell them apart.
Torrey was a pioneer aviator and industrialist. The success and later complete failure of his strop and razor business is a classic business school riches to rags case study. Torrey refused to adapt to changing market conditions believing that since straight razors are the best shaving instruments, the public must eventually come to its senses and return to straight razor shaving. His company and descendants eventually became penniless by the 1960s.
A similar fate appears to be developing for Eastman Kodak and has occurred to the lamented MA computer giants, Digital (DEC) and Wang Laboratories, at one time solid great companies to work for in MA which could or would not adapt to changing markets.
Worcester was named after its counterpart in old England and is the second largest city in MA with a population of 181,000. Yes, I can spell Worcester without having to look it up and know how to pronounce its name (Sounds like Wister as it is pronounced in old England). Phoenetic pronouciation is never correct and its use would result in the speaker's immediate identification as an alien to New England. For natives of MA, "Wister" (preferred) often becomes "Wistah".
My razor came today and the stamp is as you described. Arched with the US crossed with an Arrow. I'm excited to clean it up and see how she shaves.
Thank you for your responses!
Yours,
SC
If Torrey´s company had lasted another 50 years he would have set the precedent for the classic "riches to rags to riches" business model for knowing more about what consitutes good shaving than the poor general public, who were "lead down the garden path."Quote:
Originally Posted by sheajohnw
This was posted at an other thread about Torrey Army razor a few years ago.
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Aside from what I said above about the US stamp
-I believe the bullwhip was their first stamp, and I believe some of those used imported steel. I had one that I'm pretty sure was Sheffield steel.
-I believe Torrey was, at some point, the largest producer of straight razors in the US.
I know I read some sort of history of Torrey and his company at some point, but I can't remember where I found it (though I am 99% sure it was on SRP or from someone on SRP; perhaps a link to an ebook/google books?)
Dylan, I have a cool (but long out of print) book called "The Razor Anthology" published in 1995 as a series of razor-related articles from Knife World magazine. I picked it up at an online used book store. It has articles devoted to the history of many razor makers, one of them Torrey. Maybe this was the article you're referring to. The quality of the articles varies from excellent to terrible, but the Torrey one is good. This notes below are gleaned from that article.
Torrey started as a strop business in 1858, and they imported razors from England and Sweden.
In 1880, a Sheffield immigrant named Joseph Turner joined J. R. Torrey, and they started making their own razors.
The earliest marking for the Torrey razors is three straight lines on the shank that read "THE TORREY RAZOR CO. / WORCESTER, MASS / USA".
The article notes an 1895 Torrey catalog in which the "usual" Torrey marking appears, which it describes as "THE J.R. TORREY CO." in an arc over a "U.S." and an arrow trademark with "WORCESTER, MASS" under the trademark.
The Torrey razors marked with the whip are called the "Whip Line," and were a low-priced line of razors which also began production around 1895. The blades were made of the same steel as the finer grades of razors, they just weren't highly finished. Some of them weren't even hollow ground, but plain ground. They simply have the name "TORREY" in an arc over the whip, which is curled around itself.
An interesting tidbit: In 1892, Torrey patented the "ear of corn" handle pattern. The article notes that this pattern is also seen on Lakeside Cutlery handles, and that Lakeside Cutlery razors are extremely similar in grind to Torrey razors. Joseph Turner (the Sheffield immigrant who joined Torrey in 1880) also holds the patent for the early Lakeside Cutlery safety razor, which looks identical to the safety razor Torrey produced. This led the author to speculate that perhaps some(?) Lakeside Cutlery razors may have actually come out of the Torrey factory in Worcester.
Unfortunately, no mention is made of the "Army" marking in the article. Sorry.
this is great info. Thanks for this. i also am a resident of Worcester MA, and have a few Torreys I have brought back home (almost quite literally), and was interested in dating what I have found. The info you provided was spot on!!!
Interestingly enough, I work in Worcester, and I've dropped patients off at a facility right around the corner from the old Torrey razor building on the corner of Chandler and Piedmont. I have a J.R. Torrey's "The Artist" and it's one of my favorite blades to shave with. In fact, I just found another Torrey's "The Artist" and am awaiting it in the mail. They have no barber's notch, are not too terribly wide, and a slight smile to them which makes them awfully forgiving for budding straight razor shavers. Hell, if I can shave well with them, ANYBODY can!
Great steel, really keeps an edge well. If it begins to pull a little, I wet the 8K and give it a few very light passes -good as new!
Attachment 185476Attachment 185477Hi all, I am in possession of Torreys oil edge dressing, I have scoured the internet looking for information on it and have found nothing really. I am aware that the tin is very rare and with the contents inside still, extremely rare. any information would help.
Thanks in advance.
It's leather strop dressing. I'm not sure of what is in the dressing, but it is probably paraffin or maybe mink oil.
As Cris said Torrey's Oil Edge Dressing will keep any strop soft and pliable.
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Thanks for the info Cris and Martin
I have a Torrey 6/8 round point stamped with the standard US on a double point arrow. It does have Army in black etching on the blade and black celluloid scales. great shaver.
To see Torreys from the early days, tang stamps such as these are among the oldest! I am of the opinion these were probably made in Connecticut by Turner before he joined Torrey in Mass as the bulk of his work in Conn was contracted to Torrey.
I'm in worcester a few times a month. I always wonderedwhat the factory address was. I wanted to drive by an see what is there. Is that the address of the plant?Quote:
Originally Posted by scott64a
I love JR torrey's. i own two my self, any chance you would post a picture?
This advertisement shows the address as 128 Chandler street. Looking at google maps, Scott64a location looks right as the building is on a corner lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by nicknbleeding
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That is great I need to check it out.
Hi
Resurrecting an old thread, but I would be grateful for some info on this old Torrey razor that I have had for a number of years.
It has just been a drawer queen and never used by meIt has got a MOP covering to the tang, with the makers name and address around a doubled ended spear with the letters US intertwined !
It also has its original coffin box along with the original leaflet.
Would this have been manufactured during the latter half of the 19th Century and are they considered to be good shavers ?
Any comments appreciated !
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I think it is very hard to pin down when a razor was made unless you can find a company catalogue with your razor model in it to get some general idea. Torrey was a well respected razor maker who were in business for a hair over 100 years. I think it is safe to say that Torrey razors are considered to be good shavers. Yours appears to be in excellent. If you got it shave ready, I am sure you would enjoy shaving with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by luckypip
Bob
Looks like a restoration attempt to me. The blade faces have been sanded and the scales are a replacement. I have never seen a Torrey with 3 pin scales. The pins are modern nail style pins. My guess the razor dates 1920 -1930's.
Nice the MOP is intact. Great shavers. I own 30 or so. You will not be disappointed in the shave if it is properly honed.
