No tail razor, help, with dating, history etc.

Im trying to find out information on this razor, at the beginning i was thinking it was french, i searched many site
with makers mark and "poincon"( french word for stamps). didnt find anything and not even close.
The Lettering on the razor is missing letters as you can tell from the pics, but i was thinking i would find something about that angel with the horn but nothing. Now im thinking its not french but perhaps spanish or English.The scales are horn, wedge is ivory i beleive.
Im unsure of its age from the straight scales and no tail the pins im thinking early 1800's but coulb be wrong.
Hoping you experts can tell me more about this razor for sure.
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I think you are right about the date - early 1800s, but I do think that the style is french, having quite a few french razors like this myself (most of which have a chunkier, less hollow ground blade, though - but the heavier ones seem to be a little later in date). Definitely not english, I would say. The wedge is usually made from bone, not ivory, that has been roughly rasped into shape. Sometimes you can see the rasp marks (leaves a jagged edge like saw-teeth) at the sides, sometimes not, until you disassemble them.

I am not familiar with the mark (though it does bear a passing resemblance to the archangel blowing a trumpet that Schulte & Co. of Remscheid / Gevelsberg used:

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It also looks much more like the angel and trumpet on a variant of the '8000 Magnetic Razor" produced at a much later date in Germany for the Spanish market. Most 8000 Magnetic razors I have seen were produced by Luckhaus & Gunther (again from Remscheid), but they had a diferent tang stamp, although still on a religious theme - a lamb with a cross.

It's a pity that the tang stamp is so faint - the lower line (probably place of origin) particularly. It is hard to be sure for instance whether the first letter is a 'P' or mis-struck 'B' or even an 'R', the second one looks like a 'U' but might not be, the third is either an'L' or a mis-struck 'T' and so on. The first line is probably the makers name. Does the lettering look any more definite at certain angles?

Even a close-up of the handwriting on the scale might help to narrow it down a bit - french or spanish script?

Not a lot of help, I know!

Regards,
Neil

If French,Perhaps looking here,Les Marques des Couteaux de THIERS
Maybe you can find a match to the remnants of the stamp.Good luck

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Originally Posted by pixelfixed

If French,Perhaps looking here,Les Marques des Couteaux de THIERS
Maybe you can find a match to the remnants of the stamp.Good luck

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Thanks for the link but allready been there and nothing similar so far, the search continues!

Neil,
The writing on the scales i believed is french ends with lard the first few letters are very hard to read because its full of small scratches. Im still looking, i was thinking the archangel would give me the clue to the maker...........

Hello


I had seen a similar mark on a old french razor, on a french razor forum, but I can't find the tread anymore...
my thoughts are that it's a french razor dating from 1800 to 1820 (the scale style is tipical of the first empire period), the archangel must have been a commun mark, I think there is no relationship beetmen the greman mark and this one.


What's the name etched on the scales ?

On the razor I read "DEF***" and below "PULBREIL"

Thank you Charlie, the search continues, I totally agree this razor is definately french.Unfortunately i cant make out the name on the scales.
I did a quick search on "pulbreil" and nothing, tried different spelling as well.If ever you come across that thread your talking about that might help quite a bit.