Do you really think adjustable DE's like the fatboy give better shaves than nonadjustables and how do you maximize the type or brand of blade with the adjustment?
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Do you really think adjustable DE's like the fatboy give better shaves than nonadjustables and how do you maximize the type or brand of blade with the adjustment?
I may be in the minority, but I prefer a fixed head. I tried a fatboy and sold it after 60 days. Can't shave me as well as a Merkur Classic.
Some swear by them, however.
The adjustables work real well in a progression 8-5-3 is what I use to use. Setting 8 wtg. setting 5 xtg. setting 3 atg.
I agree with Don. My Fatboy spends most of its time sitting with the rest of the collection - my preferred DE is a late 40's Super Speed.
I like the fatboy, though I must add that it's the only DE I've ever used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don
I'm also ashamed to say that adjusting the setting for each pass had never occured to me. I simply started at a one and worked up each shave untill I found a spot I liked and just stopped there. I'm excited to try this out now. :hmmm:
Thanks Don!
Hi there,Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
I've enjoyed many of your posts in the past. I like the direct manor in your answers, often coupled with some interesting info. Maybe I can partially answer your question and sorta earn my keep here in doing so. Keep in mind that these are observations after eight months of DE shaving, and previous to that I used an injector for a while.
So, my answer to your question about a fatboy (or slim also) possibly shaving better because of the adjustable feature.......... is...not necessarily. It's not just about the blade gap, and being able to dial in the aggressive/mild aspect to your liking. Nope, there's a lot more to it than that when it comes to everyone's favorite(s) razor. Hehe, I'll make this as quick as I can.
The most recommended razor for a person new to DE shaving is a non adjustable razor made by Merkur. I've never tried a Merkur, but did pick one up in a store to get the feel of it. I know that the six gillette's I've used so far, which include two non adjustables, all felt different than the HD ( Merkur model #) did in my hand. There would certainly be a short learning curve I'd need to master. In addition, there's no guarantee I'd even find this razor to be a good fit for me, which is true for any new razor.
Anyway, there's all kinds of DE razors and they each have their endearing qualities for someone. Many many DE shavers love the Merkurs, and one of the adjustable model (Progress) that company makes gets excellent reviews.
It's mostly about the right weight (and it's distribution), and also the head design. These are crucial features when finding the perfect razor. Yeah, those Merkur heads are NOT designed like the gillettes I've used, but lots do like em, so they must be good. I'll probably try one sometime.........maybe.
Then there's many shavers who love the non adjustable gillette models such as the Super Speed and Tech and Aristocrat. Once again, they are all different animals, and will shave differently for each individual. Crazy huh? Hehe, yeah, a rhetorical question.
I mentioned I was only gonna answer part of your question and that will do it. Oh.......this was the very short version. The rabbit hole seems to be fairly deep, although I haven't reached the bottom yet. Oy.
That part about the blades and matching em up.........that's another part I hope someone else will answer for you. I'll just mention this quickly.
As you know, blades vary wildly as to how they perform for each user. We all have different faces and beards, and finding the right blade is trial and error. Some feel sharper, some milder, some more aggressive, some more forgiving, some pull and some don't....that sorta stuff. This is true for me and many others. Plus..........and this is something you'll find amusing........the damn blades don't perform the same in all razors. No, you have to match up the perfect blade AND the perfect razor. Hehe, this can take a while, but it's all in the motivation.
That's all I'll say for now about that second part of your question. I WILL just mention that those adjustments DO effectively tweak things nicely. Hehe, think of the possibilities.
Hope that helps in some small way, and once again, these are my observations and would take em as one opinion.
Martin
my aristocrat gives way better shaves than both of my fatboys much closer but if i am not careful it will bite
Not really. What an adjustable does is reduce the importance of blade choice, and lets you compensate to some extent for blade wear. The guys that use fixed-head razors tend to be really picky about exactly which blade matches up with which razor, but I've noticed that the adjustable guys don't seem to care as much and wind up picking blades based on some other criteria (price, availability, sharpness, etc). You'll see a lot more Wal-Mart Personnas being used in Fatboys or Visions than in HDs or Superspeeds for example, because they're both cheap and available and work just fine once you figure out which setting makes them shave well for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
I use this progression:
5 WTG
3 ATG
3 XTG
9 ATG careful touch-up
This works really well for me.
Hi;
Interesting question about adjustables. I have been using a Fatboy off and on for about 20 years or more. For a long time, I also moved the adjustment around until I found a setting that worked the best and left it there. That was mainly due to the fact that for a long time there were only a few blades out there that were readily available; Gillette and Schick, and they weren't all that much different. In the last few years, with more blades on the market, it has been easier to tell some significant differences between blades. I think the adjustable does allow one to account for those differences to a degree, and I find I can get a decent shave from some blades with the adjustable when I can't from a fixed head. I can use Feathers with a setting as low as a "3" and get a good shave, but go to a "5" or "6" with a Derby or Wilkinson to get the same quality shave. I have used a "6" or "7" or higher with a Polsilver, Dorco, and Bic and gotten good shaves. So, I don't think the adjustable shaves any better than a fixed head (my favorite DE is an Edwin Jagger fixed head), but does allow you to use a wider range of blades and get decent results.
I have also only used my fixed position Merkur Classic (oh yeah, and my Gillette), but I definitely like how it's so simple. Toss the blade in, screw the handle on and you're done. No numeric blade settings to ponder, worrying about whether you've adjusted it at the right time ---- just a super close shave. And with only three solid pieces, my Merkur is sure to last a life time.
I think the fixed head razors tend to have better maneuverability since they're thinner, but most of the old Gillettes don't seem aggressive enough except for the Red Tip, which gives me fantastic results.
I can usually get an equally good shave with an adjustable, working my way up the scale until I find a setting that I like. I use the same setting throughout and don't change it between passes. I'm a Gillette only guy and don't like the Fatboys as much as the Slims and black handled Super Adjustables.
When I started shaving in the sixties I used an adjustable. I did with them then what I did when I returned to DE shaving forty + years later. I found the sweet spot which for me is between 5 at a minimum and 7 at maximum and left it there. So essentially I was using an adjustable as if it was a fixed head. I have a number of Fatboys and got as close a shave as I ever got with a 1960 model but prefer the fixed heads. Particularly the Merkur Slant. For the past six weeks I have shaved with a straight exclusively and I do not see that changing for the foreseeable future.
I didn't care for my futur when I had it. It was too big and aggressive. I like my slant 39c now. Until I get my feather ac that is. Then onward towards the keener edge of real straights.
I didn't think I would play with the settings when I got my vision but I find it helps out. I can dial it up and make it really aggressive for that first pass and get more reduction and then dial it down when I'm doing touchy spots like going across the grain on the moustache and still get smooth without risking nicks.
I don't play with the adjustment on my Merkur Futur for different passes.
I just started with it on minimum (1) and slowly increased it each shave until I found a setting I find comfortable - and leave it there. It's somewhere between 2 and 2.5 at the moment.
I'm also Futur user. I load it with Feathers and leave it at 3 (maybe it's 2.5? I forget?:confused:).
I started with it at 1 to get used to it, nice shaves. ramped up to 2, still nice shaves. Bumped up to 3, and it's as close I I could ask for while still providing some measure of "safety". I only use a DE when in a rush, or otherwise unable to use my straights. So, I like being able to whip that thing around quickly, without fear of cuts.
I'm sure if you dialed it up to 6, full open mode it may shave you even closer, that blade is just sticking right out there, but you losse the advantage of speed and safety at that point:
http://www.badgerandblade.com/vb/att...1&d=1202655420
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Originally Posted by Hawkeye5
Me too. I figure if I need a different feel from my DE, I'll just buy another razor!:roflmao
And since I have both the HD (34C), and HD Open Comb (11C), I guess I needed a different feel.
I am interested in trying an adjustable. I have a SuperSpeed and an HD and I just don't quite feel like I get a close enough shave. I'm being patient with them to see if time will give me an improvement on angle and such, but right now it could be closer. As I'm obviously not shaving my face, I also have the issue of different hair textures. That makes me think an adjustable may be a good thing.
What blade are you using, Viola? I ask because the blade is a huge variable for most of us. Some are much sharper and smoother than others.
Derby's mostly. I have a Personna in right now though. I can't really tell a difference between either blade though.
Not to threadjack, but I see you're from Nashville. So am I, I just don't live there anymore. I'll be passing through soon though.
Lived here for twenty years. Transplant from Iowa. I'm one of those damn yankees. :D
Sometimes I will vary an adjustable DE setting for different areas of the face. When I use a non-adjustable DE, I find it is possible to adjust in a different manner, by experimenting with angles and pressure.
I also have a Gillette 1904 replica DE razor. The price was a very affordable $25 or so when I bought it. In most of the ads for it they do not indicate that it is adjustable, but if you slightly loosen the screw-on handle, the blade becomes more agressive, and there is no wobbling problem caused by the blade or the handle being too loose. It can be adjusted this way to several different settings without anything becoming too loose or wobbly. The 1904 replica does not have any knobs or dials for adjusting.
The 1904 replica requires you to take the handle completely off of the head of the razor, and the head comes apart in two pieces. You insert the DE blade the way you would place a slice of lunchmeat between two pieces of bread. It is a little more work than a modern butterfly door razor, but I was curious to try its 100 year old design. It gives excellent shaves. :D
I started DE shaving with a '53 Gillette SS. After that I found a pristine '63 Gillette Slim and that is still my every-day razor. The SS's have all been put up for sale on TSD's "Razor Exchange". The only non-adjustable I use anymore is an old fat handled Gillette Tech (no date code). Even more recently I aquired a seemingly unused '58 D-4 Gillette Fatboy. I am still debating on which one gives me the closest shave between the Fatboy and the Slim. I keep them both set on the highest setting (9), as I think that allows me to manipulate the blade angle to a much higher degree. For blade choice I am fond of Gillette platinums in the Tech, and Crystals, Astras, Derby extras, and Gillette platinums in the adjustables.
Of course, now I am making the jump into straights!!
Jason