looking to try out a safety razor

i'm looking around to try out a safety razor. i was looking at the merkur HD, but i was hoping to get something a little cheaper. i came across this razor on ebay:
Gillette Patent New all metal double edge razor | eBay
they come brand new, based on an expired Gillette patent. it seems like it would be a good beginner razor, but for the price i'm a little skeptical. i figure buying a DE isn't the same as a straight since it mainly depends on what type of DE blades you use, whereas the straight razor is the blade you use.
any input would be greatly appreciated. thanks!

There's lot's of cheap new d/e's out there that do a good job. I personally would stay away from the cheaper tto razors. Look at Lord razors (tech clones), feather popular, Wilkinson Sword Classic DE Razor, or even a vintage Gillette super speed. All of the above razors are very affordable and are Loved by many wet shavers. If your new to d/e why take a chance on a cheap Chinese d/e based on a super speed patent ? When there are plenty of affordable , well reviewed razors for around the same price or less. Just my humble opinion.

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Originally Posted by hcintineo

i'm looking around to try out a safety razor. i was looking at the merkur HD, but i was hoping to get something a little cheaper. i came across this razor on ebay:
Gillette Patent New all metal double edge razor | eBay
they come brand new, based on an expired Gillette patent. it seems like it would be a good beginner razor, but for the price i'm a little skeptical. i figure buying a DE isn't the same as a straight since it mainly depends on what type of DE blades you use, whereas the straight razor is the blade you use.
any input would be greatly appreciated. thanks!

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Hcintineo:

That Gillette seems to be a replica of the Gillette Superspeed slim, one of the best razors made in the Gillette pantheon. I don't know who makes this particular razor. Nor have I ever heard of such a razor.

You say: "i figure buying a DE isn't the same as a straight since it mainly depends on what type of DE blades you use."

I beg to differ with you, my friend. There is more to the double edge razor than what type of blade you use. If you really want a vintage Gillette, a Superspeed in particular, you can look around the various shave sites and find one for a reasonable price.

Try one of the lower price Merkur razors, such as the 1904, which is based on the Gillette model. A Merkur razor is different from that Gillette patent thing. There are other Merkurs, such as the 33C in the $20s. Even the Chinese Weishi, priced usually at $19, is probably more reliable than the Gillette patent model razor you note.

It's your choice, of course, but you'll do much better spending a few extra dollars for a good Merkur, which is quite reliable, or a genuine Gillette in a good shape.

Regards,

Obie

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Originally Posted by newb

There's lot's of cheap new d/e's out there that do a good job. I personally would stay away from the cheaper tto razors. Look at Lord razors (tech clones), feather popular, Wilkinson Sword Classic DE Razor, or even a vintage Gillette super speed. All of the above razors are very affordable and are Loved by many wet shavers. If your new to d/e why take a chance on a cheap Chinese d/e based on a super speed patent ? When there are plenty of affordable , well reviewed razors for around the same price or less. Just my humble opinion.

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Originally Posted by Obie

You say: "i figure buying a DE isn't the same as a straight since it mainly depends on what type of DE blades you use."

I beg to differ with you, my friend. There is more to the double edge razor than what type of blade you use. If you really want a vintage Gillette, a Superspeed in particular, you can look around the various shave sites and find one for a reasonable price.

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thank you both for your responses.

Obie, this is the information i was looking for. i know nothing about safety razors and this is good advice to begin with. i'll continue to look around and see what type of beginner razor i can get for a decent price. thanks a bunch!

There is more than meets the eye with DE's. Most think hey it's just a chunk of metal holding a blade so all I need to worry about is the blade. As Obie explained that assumption would be a grave mistake.

I am fortunate in that I inherited both my Father's 1960 Fatboy and my Grandfather's 1962 Gillette Adjustable. Dad used his for 25 years, but Grand-Dad's was only used for 9 of the 10 blades in the original box that came with the razor before he passed in '63 - it's like new! I will be posting images of both in the 'Family Jewels' thread shortly.

While I'm honored to have it, Dad's has seen better days. The adjustable lifting device is worn, still works, but lifts unevenly. At lower settings it's ok.

Grand-Dad's is perfect.

Buying these types of razors from Ebay is going to be a bit of crap-shoot IMO. You'll never know how much they've been used. The vintage non-adjustables might not be so sensitive to wear - I'll defer to my more learned members on this point.

A 'new' DE will perform as advertised, of course.

Food for thought.

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Originally Posted by thebigspendur

There is more than meets the eye with DE's. Most think hey it's just a chunk of metal holding a blade so all I need to worry about is the blade. As Obie explained that assumption would be a grave mistake.

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haha yeah good thing i ran it past people here before wasting my money. i figure with these hobbies you get what you pay for.

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Originally Posted by tonycraigo

I am fortunate in that I inherited both my Father's 1960 Fatboy and my Grandfather's 1962 Gillette Adjustable. Dad used his for 25 years, but Grand-Dad's was only used for 9 of the 10 blades in the original box that came with the razor before he passed in '63 - it's like new! I will be posting images of both in the 'Family Jewels' thread shortly.

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that's awesome. too bad no one in my family was never into wet shaving. :(
did you begin to shave with a safety razor using an adjustable? i think i read somewhere that as a beginner razor it is tough to start of without a fixed razor.

When I decided to add a DE to my rotation, I went with the Merkur 1904 Classic. Pair that with a fairly gentle blade, such as the Derby, and you'll have a great starter DE.

For a first DE I would suggest the Merkur 33C (Merkur Classic). Its a bit cheaper than the Merkur HD but still gives an amazing shave. It was my first DE and after trying maybe 10-12 others it is still up there towards the top of the list.

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Originally Posted by hcintineo

haha yeah good thing i ran it past people here before wasting my money. i figure with these hobbies you get what you pay for.

that's awesome. too bad no one in my family was never into wet shaving. :(
did you begin to shave with a safety razor using an adjustable? i think i read somewhere that as a beginner razor it is tough to start of without a fixed razor.

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Yes, but I was really a late bloomer in that regard.

I am now 55, but as I recall (if I can recall) I started shaving with Dad's Fatboy around 1970. He had gone to an electric - an awful monstrosity I couldn't use (darn thing would take off more skin than a motorcycle accident). He gave that up and went for the disposables. I was setting the world on fire, shaving once a month (even if I didn't need it) and digging nice sized divots out of my face if I dared go past '2' or '3' on the settings. At that time I didn't have a clue. I remember squirting canned goo into his brush, just like he did and it wasn't nice.

My 'goat' and 'mo' came in nicely, and I always kept it 'clipped' close, but basically grew in gray then turned white soon after.

There was a span of time there between '74 and '84 I went au naturel with some handlebars around '78, but those chrome/gray things kept touching my cheeks and drove me absolutely crazy! By '85 I thought I might need a shave... lol

I got a "barber's" shave around '87 I think in Radford, VA... you know... hot towel, brush in a cup, hot towel, strop, straight razor, ect... I think I paid the guy 2 dollars and didn't want to get out of the chair. It was like riding the best coaster on the planet and I was ready to give him another 2 bucks for another ride!

I'm oldish now... The trimmed 'mo' and 'goat' remains... all white, as it has been for years. If an eyebrow gets out of place and touches my face I hunt it down and nip it. Those 'wild hairs' that grow out of my right ear and left nostril also get attention as soon as they send a message to the home base.

I shave twice a week. Saturday (tonight-weeeeeee!) and Wednesday. Tonight's shave will be with a Regeldso straight I've recently retored (providing I get that bevel set on my Norton 4000) and on Wednesday I use Grand-Dad's '62 adjustable. Setting 3 seems to be 'me'. Dad's Fatboy sits clean and ready. I'll use it occasionally.

Sorry for blathering on, but I type rather fast and used to write surf fishing reports so when I get started it sorta pours out of me like a sickness... LOL!

Recap: Yes, I started with an adjustable... it wasn't all that great. I have a great adjustable now and it's great! My best shaves are with a straight, but Wednesday night isn't bad... not bad at all.

I hope you get a nice DE. It will never replace your straight, but you'll enjoy it just the same.

Agreed on the above Merkur suggestions. I have a basic 33C that I am very impressed with. Don't think I paid more than $30 for it.

The razor shown on the link looks very much like a Weishi brand and for the price of $15 to $25 bucks they are a very good shaver, They are a mild razor which would be perfect for a beginer, and if you should happen to find out wet shaving is not for you there's not much money involved.. However I don't believe this will be the case. They are made in China, with that said more than likely so is your TV, Computer, Your Camera, even if it a Nikon, so equating China with junk is actually just a falsehood. Sorry state of affairs, but that is the truth of the matter.

You can probably find a good antique DE at an antique shop. Maybe you will come across a Merkur, or a vintage Gillette. It may take time, but it'll be worth it. You never know what you'll get with some imitation, for the same price you can get an authentic razor. Good luck!

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Originally Posted by jcwit

The razor shown on the link looks very much like a Weishi brand and for the price of $15 to $25 bucks they are a very good shaver, They are a mild razor which would be perfect for a beginer, and if you should happen to find out wet shaving is not for you there's not much money involved.. However I don't believe this will be the case. They are made in China, with that said more than likely so is your TV, Computer, Your Camera, even if it a Nikon, so equating China with junk is actually just a falsehood. Sorry state of affairs, but that is the truth of the matter.

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Yeah, I thought it looked like my own Weishi too, with revamped traveling case. I must say, I am very pleased with the quality shaver my Weishi turned out to be. It can be very unaggressive if desired, but can also deliver a very close shave. These new manufacturing facilities are 21st Century and the quality of the products on the cheap are disturbingly competitive.

In spirit I'd prefer the poster scour their area for antique shop finds and figure out a good deal from there.