I feel your frustration starting out orville. I feel like I'm having some of the same issues as well. The biggest piece of advice I have gotten is that it "takes time" and if something feels wrong "stop". I felt today I had better luck with a shallower angle and it was quite comfortable as I did my right cheek and a few strokes on the neck and finished with el cheapo disposable. Oh...and I had a razor that was supposed to be in the stand in the cabinet somehow jump out and into the sink. So Lynn already has a message from me for a re hone. :gaah: Good luck as let us know how it goes!