Barbers Manual

I just recieved a 1931 copy of A.B. Moler's Barbers Manual. Talk about a lot of shaving info. The first lesson is exercises for shaving, stropping, honing and towel handling among other things not having to do with shaving. Lesson 2 is Honing and Stropping. Lesson 3 is Shaving. Looks like a great resource. If you get a chance to pick up a copy, do so. I'm glad I added it to my library.

Rich...any way for you to scan the appropriate pages of the Barber's Manual in and post 'em in the files section?

Chaaaz - who loves old books anyway!

That would be nice...

Hey guys, we need to be aware that this kind of copying violates the copyright laws. We shouldn't do this here. Keep it private.

I thought copy rights expired after a period of time unless they are renewed? And even then its for a limited amount of time? How can a person check on the ownership of a copyrighted piece of material? :?:

For those reading this in other countries, the following applies only
to the United States.

Around 1969 - someone on here will have the exact year - there was talk
of doing a revision of the copyright law. As a result of which, congress
passed a 2 year extension to anything about to become public domain.
When after 2 years they were unable to come up with a bill, congress did
another 2 year extension, and so on, which continued until the 1978
Copyright act was passed, and that law explicitly extended the terms of
all works including those which were extended by prior stop-gap
legislation.

In the provisions below, "any work" means a work for which copyright is
claimed:

1. Any work which was 58 years old before the first extension law -
which was around 1969 or so - is in the public domain as of 58 years from
publication. Those works are not copyrighted any more, and may be freely
used. The only exception to this is the book "Life and Health with Key
to the Scriptures" by Mary Baker Eddy, whose copyright was reinstated by
special act of Congress, the only work ever to be given such special
privelege.

2. Any work published before 1955 whose copyright was not renewed, is in
the public domain. The most famous example of this is the motion picture,
"It's a Wonderful Life" which is almost impossible to find a TV station
running it during the Christmas Season. :)

3. Any work published prior to the 1978 copyright act which is less than
28 years old, must be renewed after the 27th year or it lapses into the
public domain.

4. Any work published before 1978, whose copyright was renewed and was
not in the public domain before the first stop-gap law, is protected for
75 years from first publication; but it may provide alternately for 100
years from creation, whichever is less. This one I'm not sure about.

5. Any work published after 1978 are protected for the life of the
author plus 50 years, or 75 years if it's pseudononymous or a corporate
author, or a work for hire, or 100 years from the date of creation,
whichever is less.

Any work which is protected under the 1978 law all have their copyrights
expire on December 31 of the year in question.


And there is a nice info directly from the NATIONAL LEGISLATION - USA:
http://www.sice.oas.org/int_prop/nat...sa/clrt17h.asp

This would be little more than an "academic" endeavor. In which case any "text"(I.e a paper for school)”published”, or portion of text used for academic purposes, that has appropriate bibliography and foot noting is not subject to copyright violation. You cross the line when you present a text or portion of text that is copyright protected as your own.

Since only the portion of the material in question, relative to this forum would be "published"(Not the complete text); with all credit given to its origin and author; for academic means without profit, I sincerely doubt that even the best lawyers would think it infringement

But, if were that worried then about half of the files section in the yahoo group better be dumped...

Kelly:

If this book isn't in the public domain, I wouldn't rely on "academic" use to avoid infringement. That was meant to cover libraries and universities. In other words real academic and "fair" uses. Fair use comes up as a defense in many cases and there are legal standards for what you need to prove. If I give you a copy of sections of a book so that you don't have to buy it, that's hardly an academic use. BTW, new and used copies of many versions of that barbers' manual are still on sale.

For technial reasons of copyright law, you might avoid all liability for copying if you bought a book previously purchased by someone else.

None of this means anyone is going to get sued here (there are civil and CRIMINAL penalties), but there is now some crazy enforcement going on out there. It doesn't make sense to jeopardize anyone, especially the good folks who run this site and the Group.

If I recall correctly, one of our favorite vendors used the technique of paraphrasing to avoid getting tramlped by the copyright laws. :wink:

I would worry if I tried to sell copies, but if I scanned pages from the book and posted them I don't think they'd send me to jail or even fine me for copying a 1931, out of print textbook. At most "they" would make me remove them from the site. I'll get the appropriate pages scanned, put them in a PDF and post them, and we'll see what happens. I'll include a disclaimer stating that I take sole responsibility for it.

Richard,
Even with the disclaimer, just give credit where credit is due(obviously the title, author, revision ect.).
You are correct the book is no longer in print, I was able to find that out, however I was unable to verify the copyrite renewal with out paying for a search... Amazon dosent even list the publisher.

Thanks for your efforts (and liability :lol:)

Good idea. I'll do a bibliography of sorts on the first page listing all the copy right info in the book. and the copy right page from the book. Thanks.

Wopmanfixit:

I would touch base with the webmaster before doing that. No matter what liability you take, he'll be on the hook.

They started fresh when they set up this site. This site is a lot easier to access now that it's not a Yahoo group.

Richard,

What's the exact title of Moler's book?

Thanks, Hal

Joe, your right. I will ask permission before adding it to the site.

Hal, the title is "The Barbers Manual by A. B. Moler". They come up for sale on ebay every once in a While. I bid a 1954 edition, and a 1911 edition before I won this one.

There are already PDF files of two chapters from an old barbering textbook in the FILES section on the Yahoo! site

http://tinyurl.com/5qemc