I have 8 ounces coming and will be selling bags for... um....never mind, can't advertise :nono:
:gaah:
just PM if you want some
...whatever
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I have 8 ounces coming and will be selling bags for... um....never mind, can't advertise :nono:
:gaah:
just PM if you want some
...whatever
First, you have to be initiated and swear a vow of secrecy. Only then will you be given a pass.
Just kidding!
It works! You have a road map. I am using wool with no oil. The possibilities seem endless.
I will +1 on honing. If you can't pop hairs on stone a strop won't take you much further.
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I raised the question yesterday about the use of polishing powders and OLIVIA directed me to this collection of posts. I would like to try as many powders as I can find and so far, my search has led me to this website -
http://therockshed.com/grit1.html#Oxide -
which is a source for Cerium Oxide - Tin Oxide and Tripoli polish. I have been using rottenstone for years (with water on various stones ) in a similar fashion as Bill Ellis does.
The thought of using these powders on various types of cloth intrigues me. Somewhere out there is a combination of materials and polishing media that might unlock a sharpening secret to beat all secrets.
Thanks to all for sharing your knowledge up to this point....... JERRY:tu
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Pleasure, Jerry!
In the meantime I've looked into some more safety sheets for cerium oxide.
(regulation-crazy Europe, you know....)
It is highly recommended that you take precautions to neither inhale the dust nor ingest it accidentally. They don't tell why but the advices for ceroxide sound like you have to be extra careful (unlike on chromium oxide safety sheets).
Reading this thread has me interested as I have a JStr8 that needs adjustment.
I found this websitewith a wonderful guide to polishing compunds.
It appears that there is a "Super Cerium" that is already suspended and is supposed to be used on leather or felt.
I may get some of that.
I will refer gssixgun to Bill Ellis's video for a demo of powder on stones. I tried rottenstone on the Norton 4k / 8k and the CHINESE 12k. I did this before I bought my microscope so I can't really tell you if there was a definite benefit. It seems to have a nice feel to it. I know for a fact that rottenstone does wonders on a gunstock oil finish.
See the video for Bill's opinion. I wish I had more info for you......... JERRY:thinking:
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Glen, did your order for this powder come in yet? Are you still thinking about splitting it?
Not as of today PJ should be either at home in the mail or tomorrow by fed-ex....
Yes I am still planning on splitting it, I however don't even know how much is in the jar???????????????????????????
Guess you'll like it!
I just honed a Heljestrand wedge - to see it on a wider bevel - and used the powder I have after the Escher on a piece of Solnhofener Limestone (an old experiment that actually does not hone at all).
Haven't stropped it but it shaves so gently that I guess I won't even have to have to. Edge is as straight as it can be and the surface of the bevel is rather fine.
I have not stoned with it yet. No need to right now, as my entire rotation is about as sharp as they are gonna get. Soft Cotton or linen (dry) with a light coating of this (powder) is awesome!
I believe that the pure powder is uniformly finer than the bar. Being a pure form you also have a lot more options as to how to use it. On the other hand if you can find it buy the bar. You will not be disappointed. Especially if you have a micro-chipping problem.
My initial results were on stainless steel, but carbon loves this stuff!
You can use oil or starch, but water tends to push it away from the honing surface.
This stuff is fine. No drafts. Be safe.
:cry: I don't have anything to sharpen! :cry:
:cry: I've got something to lap :cry:
LOL ;)
Ok, the Solnhofener Limestone is not the hardest, but at the moment I'm really not happy about what the ceroxide did to it.
It not only hi gloss polished it, but it dished it significantly.
Be careful with your hones guys!
I got some of this a while back. I haven't tested it on razors b/c I never got around to making up a suitable strop. I did try it out on lousy paddle strop I have (leather hard as a brick) and it worked pretty well on knives. I put it on the paddle like powdered CrO-- neatsfoot oil and hand rubbing. It also works well when mixed with a polish like mothers, it gives a nice shine really, really fast.
Anyway, I'll be interested to hear what all the people have to say, this may motivate me to get a strop ready to try the stuff out on some razors, if anyone uses it on a strop and not on a hone... not that there's anything wrong with that, I might try that funky honing sometime, too.
is this the same kevbell with a dull razor? ;)
just making conversation ;)
Cerium oxide has to be a pretty serious abrasive as it is the stuff used to polish glass, which is not a really soft material. If it is finely divided enough it may be the bee's joints for the final polish on a razor's edge.
I'm staying tuned to see how all this works out. And, as always, am indebted beyond my ability to pay for the pathfinding done by the Lewises and Clarks among us; Meri and Bill :rock:
Yeah, that's why I got some. I figured if it was fine enough to polish out the scratches on glass and optics it should be a pretty fine abrasive. I tried messaging the place I got it from to get a micron size, but got no reply. Prolly should have done that before I ordered it...
Grizzly claw, wolf tooth and moose horn. A little geyser water for suspension.
Kevin
That is the secret energy drink of true Honers.
Glen, did the powder ever come in?
So far I am out $50 and havent seen jack ***t, I sent an e-mail two days ago and I am looking for a phone number now....
This is fun stuff. I picked up a couple bars and have been using it on the poly webbing of my strop. I have tried about 2 dozen razors so far and mainly from a touch up standpoint. I have been using 5 strokes, 10 strokes and 15 strokes and am having about a 50% hit ratio on shaving tests. Definitely some promise here. I probably won't go more than 20 strokes, but want to see what happens. I am thinking 10-15 will be the strike zone for me.
Lynn
Lynn I was really hoping to bring the powder to NC but unless it gets here today I am outta luck....
Cool, Lynn! Any initial thoughts on how it compares to chromium oxide?
Glen... that sucks man. They actually charged you, too? I'm sure you saw this but here's the contact page... http://www.osabrasives.com/aboutus.asp. They have a few phone numbers there... Hopefully you can get to the bottom of this.
Those of you with the yellowstone powder.
Are you using this in addition to CrO or as a replacement?
check out the pads and bobs on that link, i was thinking about thes for polishing blades till i saw the price
Ben, the Cerium Oxide Powder?
On strops instead of Chromium Oxide probably.
I'm using it as a paste (with shaving cream) on a damp cloth for cleaning up the entire razor right now. Works well on brassware, pins and embeds, too.
I'll be interested in seeing how this stuff develops for some people. I have a hand american hone system with pressed felt pad, and rubbed leather pad. I could hypothetically just sprinkle the cerium on the felt, give 'er a rub, and go! Or make a solution with neats foot or jojoba oil and rub 'er down on the leather. Any one with experience using powders on leather vs. felt?
Not on that field,
but I've been playing with compounds a little this week
and cerium oxide does not like fat, wax or oil much.
It solidifies horribly.
I guess you're better off with the soapy way.
The harder the carrier material the more you'll get out of it.
Well the safety data sheet says you have to use it with water and an x amount of a disperging agent. Read soap.
What I do is putting a spoon of Ceroxide on a marble plate, some shaving cream and mix it thoroughly with a scraper. When I use it, I add water.
Its pretty dusty stuff and you're not supposed to swallow, or otherwise ingest it. Once being in the mix its safer.
A light dusting of the powder on a linen strop works fine. If you have the block, just chalk it onto your web or cloth strop.