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I have an idea for those who are having trouble with stroping. I took a thin piece of wood, about 1/4" or less and cut it to the same width and length of my strop. I then drilled a hole in one end and put the board under the leather and on top of the canvas of my strop. In other words between the two and used the strop. I did not glue it to anything. It just is held with the leather or canvas on top when using. This prevents sagging of the strop when stropping.
Why not just pull it tight?Quote:
Originally Posted by mackie
There is always the problem of still letting it sag a little or cupping or rolling of the strop
I have read that several people were pulling it so tight that their arm was hurting and then finding out it was too much and asking how much should it sag etc.
Kind of sounds like a hanging paddle strop.
Pelkey
It would give a newby the chance to strop without sagging or other problems, but they could also use the leather or canvas without the board to practice. I used to take the strop down and lay it on the table to strop because of not knowing how tight to pull it or whether I was holding it straight. This would prevent having to do that.
Well I'm glad to see I'm not the only MacGyver clone in the crowd.
Pelkey
Not to sound harsh here but you can't learn how to use a manual tranny by driving with an auto and shifting through the gears and you can't learn to use a hanging strop by putting training wheels on it. You just have to use it and learn it properly. For those who don't want to, just buy a paddle or bench strop.
So you are saying you can't drive an automatic and practice on a standard also?
I think it would be nice to have a sharp razor to use while you practice stroping with another. Just my opinion. I started by laying my strop on the table and practicing with it hanging and finally got the technique of it down. I learned to strop the razor first and then after I had that down, I could concentrate on holding the strop properly. It is easy for me now. I would hate to see someone slice their strop because they were trying to learn it all at once. It was just a suggestion and I thought it might help someone. That's all.
In Mack's defense I'd like to say that he may be on to something. There's a few very important things you need to learn to be successful at stropping. If you mess up anyone of them you do an unsatisfactory job if not ruin the edge. Thebigspendur's comment put me on to this.
I teach motorcycle rider safety for the Motorcycle Safety Foundation (MSF). I'm both nationally and state licensed. One of the biggest things we teach to novice riders is "muscle memory". We work through the skills necessary to ride one slow step at a time. To use bigspendur's transmission example, we go through several exercises before we even worry about shifting the transmission. We instead concentrate on building muscle memory about using the controls, balance, stopping, starting, turning, etc. We don't move on to shifting until the students no longer need their "training wheels" so to speak.
With Mack's idea a new user can learn a good many aspects of stropping before having to worry about tension. They can develop the muscle memory of proper stance, pressure, flipping the blade, sight and sound, etc. before they need to shift the transmission, i.e., worry about tension. When the user becomes confident he can then remove the back board and perfect his skills toward what we consider to be the correct method.
Just my $1.87.
Pelkey
I was in the martial arts for years and we also taught muscle memory or instant reflex. You first learn to punch with one arm, turning the fist from the waist to the point of impact. Then you practice with the other arm and then with both arms at the same time. Only then do you kick punch, block step turn etc. Way to much to learn all at once.
Not everyone will want to do what I suggested but then not everyone has the same hand eye coordination. Remember wax on wax off. It has to be developed.
+1 Mack! Everyone's method of learning is different. I see that all the time as an instructor and you've seen it on the mat. I guess my attitude is what does it matter how you go about learning, as long as you learn.
Pelkey
Maybe so, but for most the main objective is to learn drive the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
If a strop is sagging also consider that one may be putting too much pressure on it with the razor. Placing a piece of wood under the strop it will not relieve that pressure tho it may help if the problem stems instead from a "floppy" anchor hand.
If your anchor hand is moving & creating the sag, try locking your elbow to your hip.
It is then not necessary to "pull" hard on the strop creating stress, tension & an equally heavy opposite hand.
"The weight of the razor" will not sag a strop even if held very lightly.
I have a fulcrum of sorts set up in my shavatorium so I can drape the loose end over it and then attach a concrete block to that end for tensioning the bothersome deflection prone part of the stropbetween the two ends. I have no idea how barbers, for generations, were able to deal with a floppy strop, but I'm working on a solution. I'm up to a 12" block now, but think I may have to graduate from concrete blocks to something like an engine block to get rid of that last little bit of droop.
Wish me luck,
:beer2:
hmmm... I wonder if I should be looking into hydraulics??? :confused:
Hey Bruce here's a couple ideas;
A hydraulic stretching machine, something no well equiped bath should be without. Or move your rack up out of the basement. Everyone's got one... don't they?
Pelkey
Bob,
Procrustes' bed has to stay in the cellar for personal reasons, ;) but that hydraulic stretcher definitely has caught my eye. I'd have to knock out a wall in the shavatoriumto make the fit, although, the machine looks like it may be able to make its own space.
I appreciate the recommendations,
:beer2:
Can you count to 10 before this guy is banned?
Who me? What is it this time? :confused:
No! No!
There was a post, completely off topic, totally spam. Advertising some sort of service for pay. I reported the post. The administrators must have erased the it.
So my comment looks kind of odd sitting there now I guess.
Pelkey
I'm greatly relieved; my face is enormously thankful for the clarification as I'll be able to shave tomorrow without spasms of anxiety.
:)
Strop deflection would have to be severe before problems would show up on a razors edge.
Hunching over the strop and relying on just the arm to keep tension on the strop is the way too creating the wrong muscle memory :)
Tensioning hand too the hip/waist area, straight back and shoulders back with only the head lent forward too view the proceedings is my way and of course all this in a relaxed manner :) Let your body weight act as a dampener for the strop.
Would not the practice of a relaxed stance with accompanied hand rubbing of the strop teach muscle memory of a practical kind?
PuFF