Best quality CrOx paste for leather strop

Hi guys,
I tried to do a search and came up with some info, but not enough to make an informed decision, so I would appreciate some guidance.

I've heard that HandAmerican CrOx paste is one of the best out there (as far as purity is concerned and consistency in "particle" size. Is this true? any others?

If so, I've been trying to email Keith (at Hand American) a few times, but I have not heard anything back. Anyone know how to get a hold of him (the website only has an email address, nothing more)? Or alternatively, anyone know where I can get my hands on some of this stuff?

Thoughts and advice would be greatly appreciated

If I remember correctly they sell through CKTG: Kitchen Knives, Chef Knives, Shun Knives, Global Knives, Wusthof Knives, Henckels Knives, Ceramic Knives

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Originally Posted by deighaingeal

If I remember correctly they sell through CKTG: Kitchen Knives, Chef Knives, Shun Knives, Global Knives, Wusthof Knives, Henckels Knives, Ceramic Knives

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Gerrit,
You are a genius :tu...Thank you:bow. That's exactly what I was looking for, but now I'd like to hear what other have to say about quality of it and if it's a good thing to use on leather strops, etc.

I have the same crayon or stick and have been using it for some time on a leather bench strop and it works great. The ones you want to avoid are those they sell in lapidary shops and artist paint supply outfits because they contain other things.

I have the Puma crayon, I have had it for 30 years and it still hasn't dried out.

Robert,

At one point member ChrisL was selling packets of the good stuff (chrome ox, that is ;)), which, if I'm not mistaken, was originally the Hand American variety. He's not nearly as active here as he used to be, but try contacting him anyway and see what happens. I can vouch for it personally, it's good chrome ox!

Ryan

Just another option. The Kremer pigments CrO was very popular with the European forums a while back.
Chrome Oxide Green - Mineral Pigments - Kremer Pigments Inc.
The powder is supposedly 0.3 um but don't quote me on that. IIRC some used the acrylic paint & put it on a linen strop like the Dovo white. I got some of the powder from another member a while back & it works well but I like the diamond spray on felt , less messy.

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Originally Posted by Ryan82

Robert,

At one point member ChrisL was selling packets of the good stuff (chrome ox, that is ;)), which, if I'm not mistaken, was originally the Hand American variety. He's not nearly as active here as he used to be, but try contacting him anyway and see what happens. I can vouch for it personally, it's good chrome ox!

Ryan

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Thank you Ryan...I will try to see if PM will work with Chris

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Originally Posted by onimaru55

Just another option. The Kremer pigments CrO was very popular with the European forums a while back.
Chrome Oxide Green - Mineral Pigments - Kremer Pigments Inc.
The powder is supposedly 0.3 um but don't quote me on that. IIRC some used the acrylic paint & put it on a linen strop like the Dovo white. I got some of the powder from another member a while back & it works well but I like the diamond spray on felt , less messy.

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Oz,
Wowww...Thanks for the link. That stuff is 98%+ pure and 0.3µ average size. pretty good stuff. I imagine one can dissolve this in mineral oil or neetsfoot oil and apply to leather?

Robert, If u need some, I have some I bought from Chris awhile back. I only used it once to do a pasted padded strop so I have some left ( he gives u quite a lot)

i would be interested in purchasing a bit.......

pm me if your interested in selling a tad......

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Originally Posted by thewatermark

Robert, If u need some, I have some I bought from Chris awhile back. I only used it once to do a pasted padded strop so I have some left ( he gives u quite a lot)

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Sure Matt...that'll be great. Is this the powder form or liquid? I have the balsa strop, so no need for that (yet), but I am thinking about CrOx-ing a leather strop.

Its Powdered, its good stuff IMO

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Originally Posted by thewatermark

Its Powdered, its good stuff IMO

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No problem Matt...Just as good, I guess. How do you apply it though? i.e., do you dissolve in Mineral oil or something or just rub it onto the surface?

BladeRunner001,

I have good success by just rubbing the CrOx powder (about 0.05 mL) onto the surface of the strop with a peice of waste cotton. After a good rub, just the right amount seems to become embedded, and you can then wipe off the excess with a peice of paper towel.

Have fun !

Best regards

Russ

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Originally Posted by PhatMan

BladeRunner001,

I have good success by just rubbing the CrOx powder (about 0.05 mL) onto the surface of the strop with a peice of waste cotton. After a good rub, just the right amount seems to become embedded, and you can then wipe off the excess with a peice of paper towel.

Have fun !

Best regards

Russ

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=1 to Phat Robert

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Originally Posted by BladeRunner001

Oz,
Wowww...Thanks for the link. That stuff is 98%+ pure and 0.3µ average size. pretty good stuff. I imagine one can dissolve this in mineral oil or neetsfoot oil and apply to leather?

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No problemo amigo. Yep, you can use oil for leather & water for felt. I add 1 drop of detergent to water but you could even just dust it lightly on leather for a very subtle effect. It will get into the pores of the leather easily but also into your lungs. Be very careful with it & wear a dust mask at least.

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=1 to Phat Robert

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Thanks Paul

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Originally Posted by onimaru55

No problemo amigo. Yep, you can use oil for leather & water for felt. I add 1 drop of detergent to water but you could even just dust it lightly on leather for a very subtle effect. It will get into the pores of the leather easily but also into your lungs. Be very careful with it & wear a dust mask at least.

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Great idea Oz...I will definitely use mask for sure. I am ordering some from Kremer pigments. I like the specs of this stuff they have. pretty pure and consistent size. Now, I have to find a leather strop that I can put this onto :p

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Originally Posted by VeeDubb65

Their CrOx crayon is mind incredibly easy to use, and last for ages.

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Thanks Steve,
The only hesitation I have from getting the crayon is that some are less than 15% pure CrOx...they may have lots of other crud in it.

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Originally Posted by BladeRunner001

Thanks Steve,
The only hesitation I have from getting the crayon is that some are less than 15% pure CrOx...they may have lots of other crud in it.

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Unless things have changed, the crayon they sell at SRD is the same stuff that Maestro Livi uses for his loom strops. If Livi thinks it's good enough, it's good enough for me. YMMV.

More importantly, I've been using it for quite some time, and I've been consistently happy with the results. I have used handamerican (bought a dime-bag of it here from a user that bought a tub and sold it off) and I found the hand american harder to use, and not any more effective.

The SRD crayon looks pretty good, but the shipping to the EU is a bit steep :) Could someone give me a bit of his? Maybe 1/3-1/4 of it, that will last a long time for me, and I can decide wether I like it or not. Shipping in a letter is around 1$, but I will pay the shipping and the price of the crayon too.

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Originally Posted by BladeRunner001

Thanks Steve,
The only hesitation I have from getting the crayon is that some are less than 15% pure CrOx...they may have lots of other crud in it.

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The one I have from SRD is excellent and is very easy to not overload. Just draw large X's on it then wipe with a clean rag. Perfect amount and they last forever!!!!
+1 to VeeDubb

jeness,

Please PM me your address; you are most welcome to have some of my SRD CrOX crayon :)

Have fun !

Best regards

Russ

I have been thinking about ordering some of the bark river green or white stropping compounds.

Figured I'd ask if anyone has any experience with them before I pull the trigger.

I know the company makes knives but the green is ~8000 while the white is ~12000 from what I have been reading.

They seem worth it to test out.

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Originally Posted by basil

I know the company makes knives but the green is ~8000 while the white is ~12000 from what I have been reading.

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Just be aware, that most of the CrO that people use and talk about here is 0.5micron, which is closer to 30,000

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Originally Posted by VeeDubb65

Just be aware, that most of the CrO that people use and talk about here is 0.5micron, which is closer to 30,000

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You're probably right about the grit I was just throwing out a number.

The grit size is also .5 micron on the green compound I mentioned above. Just not sure about the white.

That's one reason I'd be concerned. If the green really is listed as .5 micron, and also listed as 8k, something is hinky. It may have a highly inconsistent particle size, or it may really be CrO for color in a coarser compound. I'd stick with one that was well known.

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Originally Posted by VeeDubb65

That's one reason I'd be concerned. If the green really is listed as .5 micron, and also listed as 8k, something is hinky. It may have a highly inconsistent particle size, or it may really be CrO for color in a coarser compound. I'd stick with one that was well known.

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I agree that it is kinda hinky.

It's always listed as .5 but on different sites they all say a different grit rating. Probably the company not exactly sure the actual grit rating.

That being said I have some trusted crox sample from a friend on the way. So maybe I'll just compare the two and see how they do.

In Europe it may be cheaper to get Puma chromox. paste.

From the source: 900003 Puma Streichriemenpaste
Or here in smaller quantity: Kochmesser :: PUMA Streichriemenpaste extrafein :: MESSERKONTOR

In my experienca most on line shops that sell loom and paddle strops sell Puma paste. I wouldn't worry about the chromox content, the other stuff in a crayon is needed to keep it on the leather.

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Originally Posted by basil

I have been thinking about ordering some of the bark river green or white stropping compounds.

Figured I'd ask if anyone has any experience with them before I pull the trigger.

I know the company makes knives but the green is ~8000 while the white is ~12000 from what I have been reading.

They seem worth it to test out.

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I have Lynn's Modular Paddle Strop, and I'm curious about those Bark River pastes too. Do you think they could be applied to the rough leather pad that comes with the strop?