Stropping leathers and Razor harm

Hi Sometime ago I brought from "Star Shaving Supplies" there "Big Daddy Strop" 3" Black Latigo" now i wanted to buy there " Chestnut Big Daddy3" strop" I asked about is there any difference between my one that I own now and the chestnut I am going to order I have been told the one I have at the moment is 75,000/80,000 Grit where as the chestnut one I am going to order is 90,000 ( what does That all Mean ) I have been using the above strop at the moment and it seems to do the job OK and keeps the razor sharp. There is one other thing I wish to ask on the reverse side of this strop is what they call " Wool Felt strop" I have been on a other site and someone says that this wool felt Strop from Star shaving supplies can damage the Razor if used make blunt etc and the same With the Big daddy Black Latigo strop Is this true ? and recommend I go for the English Bridle one instead. I am now totally confused :banghead: what is right what is wrong in this strop leather lark and does the wool felt strop do anything??? and if so how often do you use it or what this guy on the other site ( it Starts with a B&B scaremongering many thanks for any help given

I have a Star shaving supplies 2.5" strop that I've used for over 3 yrs. now. Never noticed an issue with using wool felt. Wool felt is for cleaning the edge before going to the leather to the best of my knowledge. I take 10-12 round trips on the felt to clean any debris off the edge that I couldn't get with a towel. It's worked for me, with no problems that I'm aware of. I'm sure with this bunch someone can give you a more definitive answer.

Never heard of assigning grit numbers to leather strops but obviously somebody does. That said, I don't think it makes a hill of beans difference in everyday use and would just ignore what I would consider techno babble. Use what ever good grade of leather that you fancy. The second strop material can be webbing, canvas, linen or hard wool felt. All are used every time before you go to the leather to prep the blade for the leather. My usual routine is 20 round trips on hard felt or linen, depending which strop I use, followed by 60 round trips on leather. To me the choice of which type of leather to buy and which type of material for the pre strop is just personal preference, they all seem to work. The debate about which works best is another version of the Nikon vs Canon debate/flame wars.

Bob

Well my Kanyama is a 250,000 grit strop so there ";"


Honestly the whole thing sounds like a bit of Horse Pucky, from the "Claiming" of the grit to the wool felt wrecking edges...

I have never even seen a Big anything strop so I can't attest to what they have... But For Sure when SRD launched their felt strops, I tested mine for quite some time without pastes to see how the Felt worked in place of Linen.. I found no issues it worked just fine, of course I also found no issues with (over)using the same strop with Diamond paste to prove another point about alleged rounding of the edge .. But I digress as that is another story :)


http://straightrazorpalace.com/strop...xperiment.html

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

Honestly the whole thing sounds like a bit of Horse Pucky, from the "Claiming" of the grit to the wool felt wrecking edges...
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What bit of the horse is the pucky, does it make a good strop, and where can I get one?

I hate to doubt what I have no experience or data to support...but I would LOVE to learn what analysis was done to define the grit ranges and differences for those strops.

I think the debris floating around in the air in my neighborhood right now is probably coarser than 80,000. I seem to recall reading that pollen contains silicates....

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Originally Posted by unit

I hate to doubt what I have no experience or data to support...but I would LOVE to learn what analysis was done to define the grit ranges and differences for those strops.

I think the debris floating around in the air in my neighborhood right now is probably coarser than 80,000. I seem to recall reading that pollen contains silicates....

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LOL. You just started the latest new fad; Air Stropping

I estimate my backyard air at 90,000 grit. About 500 passes and the pollen in the air will take that edge to a whole new level.

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LOL. You just started the latest new fad; Air Stropping

I estimate my backyard air at 90,000 grit. About 500 passes and the pollen in the air will take that edge to a whole new level.

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Some pollens are better than others. You really want something that leaves a nice mellow edge. Here in the Midwest the pollen leaves a harsh toothy edge.

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I prefer to strop in a vacuum to eliminate the cross contamination. I use Martian skin strops rated at 116,400 grit.

Of course, the grit varies with the season. I believe the grain in the photo above is a Ragweed, which sheds its pollen in August. You'll definitely get a harsher edge with the late-summer shedders, the yellow-flowering things. The smoother pine pollens of springtime are shaped more like coti garnets, so of course leave a much gentler edge.

I know this because I am a trained Botanist.

So are we gonna have a thread on various pollen slurries now? Maybe pollen pastes for strops?

Well, seriously, I've thought about messing with diatomaceous earth and plaster of Paris, to see if there's any good honing lurking in those microscopic silicate skeletons. Mix 'em together, hope for an even suspension, find the right balance of plaster to diatoms. There it is, my million-dollar idea.

Horsetails also generate pretty beefy silicate crystals (so much so that pioneers called them Scouring Rush, and used them like Scotch-brite pads), as do grasses. About a year ago a thread turned silly with botanical speculations. Stropping on corn leaves, that sort of thing. I'm not sure, but I probably played some part in that.

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These are a bit more like garnets, but they still leave an edge a bit too harsh for my tastes. I have tried 'developing' a slurry, but they only evolve to greater angularity and even harsher edges result.

I'm telling you, the vacuum chamber is the way to go for uber-refinements.

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Well, seriously, I've thought about messing with diatomaceous earth and plaster of Paris, to see if there's any good honing lurking in those microscopic silicate skeletons. Mix 'em together, hope for an even suspension, find the right balance of plaster to diatoms. There it is, my million-dollar idea.

Horsetails also generate pretty beefy silicate crystals (so much so that pioneers called them Scouring Rush, and used them like Scotch-brite pads), as do grasses. About a year ago a thread turned silly with botanical speculations. Stropping on corn leaves, that sort of thing. I'm not sure, but I probably played some part in that.

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I never saw that...but I used to frequent bushcraft discussion groups, and being an obsessive honer/sharpener, I am always looking for new (to me) aways to work steel.

We had several interesting discussions regarding sharpening without conventional means. There are some pretty serious abrasives growing out there. One of my preferred methods was stropping on creek mud on a green cedar branch (after stripping the bark). Stropping on sawgrass works well also, but thankfully there is not much of it around here. Cat tails work also, but I don't like getting wet in the bush;)

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So are we gonna have a thread on various pollen slurries now? Maybe pollen pastes for strops?

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On a serious note, how do you make pollen slurry? :w

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On a serious note, how do you make pollen slurry? :w

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Drizzle honey on the hood of a black car, then swirl it around.

When I tried that, all I got was ants.

Ants = contamination. Their mandibles will wreck your edge (they measure several thousand microns across).

This is a reason I espouse the vacuum stropping methods.

Well, I didn't strop on them. Sheesh.

Gentlemen, I'll let you in on a secret. The best pollen to use in a pollen slurry is that of a prickly pear cactus blossom. The backstory is as follows:

My grandfather was born in Oklahoma. At the age of 8 his father died suddenly, making him the man of the house. He had his mother and three sisters to "look after" at such a ripe young age (though later on in his early teen years he truly would be the one looking after them), forcing him to quit school and take up working ranches. As he grew, his duties increased with his employers, and soon he was driving cattle through the various states in our own midwest. In short, he became a real cowboy.

By the age of 21, in April of that year, he was living in Texas, driving cattle and doing the things normal young men do at that age. It just so happened that he met an old Chickasaw Indian and the two became good friends.

Now, the Chickasaw had migrated to Texas in the 1830's, settling near Nacogdoches. They were some of the most prosperous of the Indian nations, leading to some of them owning slaves. Those who did so sided with the Confederacy during the Civil War, however, after the war, the Chickasaw territory became a crossroads to the cattle drives, hence, how my grandfather and his friend came to meet.

I recall my grandfather telling me a story about how one morning, after a particularly long and rowdy night filled with loose women and whiskey, he decided he needed to clean himself up and catch a shave. His razor, however was not in the best condition it could have been, so he pulled out his hone and began to sharpen the blade. After a few minutes had passed, he was interrupted by fits of laughter from his Chickasaw friend, who was claiming he was doing things all wrong. Gramps responded with "Well, if it's so wrong, Mr. know-it-all, then how should I be doing it?" to which his friend's response was simply "Prickly Pear".

After a few head scratching moments, the Chickasaw man took my grandfather by the hand and led him to a patch of Prickly Pear Cacti that were in full bloom, since it was in April. His friend began to pick the blossoms and shake the pollen out into his hand, gathering the pollen from 30 or so blossoms.

He then spit in his hand and mixed the pollen in to form a somewhat thick paste, which he then spread onto the surface of my grandfather's hone. Reaching for my grandfather's back pocket, he pulled out the last of the bottle of whiskey from the night previous and proceeded to sprinkle just a bit onto the hone to thin out the paste. Doing so created a fine yellow slurry, that seemed to make the light hitting it shimmer like the slurry was made of polished bronze.

He instructed my grandfather to make several passes (less than 10 according to what he could recall) and said that the blade should be sharper than he'd ever experienced.

Needless to say, my grandfather kept a bottle of whiskey in his workshop and a Prickly Pear Cactus growing right outside for the rest of his days. The only substitute he ever found to be close was pollen from Georgia Pine trees when he moved here, combined with his saliva and gin rather than whiskey.