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I have a couple of these razors where the blade has increased in length or the scales have shortened.??????
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I have a couple of these razors where the blade has increased in length or the scales have shortened.??????
I think it’s unlikely that the blade grew. I have heard that horn scales can shrink.
Yup, scale shrinkage. Short of rescaling you could try sanding down the wedge inside the scales at an angle from top to bottom. You may get enough clearance to close the blade.
Bob
A hacksaw blade between the scales to shorten the wedge works for me but from your pictures you don't have enough room before you hit the pin. You can take the set off the sides of the teeth to protect the scales.
Red Imps and others have these problems
Ain't that the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by DZEC
Bob
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it will be a shame to replace these scales
......so the scales got cold and wet which caused "shrinkage"?
.................maybe...........?
The scales don't look that old like bakelite,.......what else could cause this shrinkage?
As has been said, the scales have shrunk. It happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raol
While it may not be of any help. Can you see of the wedge has rotated toward the pivot (the pin is loose) thus reducing the clearance ? If it has then 'Perhaps' you can then use the hacksaw trick------------It's worth a shot.
That shrinkage thing was just for giggles.
The razor does not look that old. If it is old, it is in remarkable shape.
The Dovo Special is available at a lot of wet shaving sources. Have you thought about sending the photos to Dovo? They might surprise you and offer replacement scales.
Classic Edge sells identical replacement faux tortoise scales: https://classicedge.ca/index.php?rou...rch=Dovo+scale
Hope this helps.
Yes, i watched the technical video on "shrinkage" and got a chuckle.
My poor attempt at humor was in suggesting it may be possible for the blade to lengthen.
As you suggest, I will send the pics to Dovo and share their response.
Thank you all.
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Originally Posted by DZEC
It is possible the scales have shrunk, but as Cuda said, check the wedge to see if it has rotated, (loose wedge pin).
Take a wooden coffee stir stick that is the thickness of the wedge, clip one edge of the stick straight, open the razor, put the stir stick on the top corner of the wedge and tap the stick and rotate the wedge so the top moves to the back.
The wedge edge, (inside) does not have to be perpendicular to the top edge of the scale, it can be angled as long as the blade clears the wedge.
I suspect this is the case, at the scales would have had to shrink over 2mm based on your photos, in a short amount of time. This is common in vintage razors with old celluloid, not more modern scales, unless they were subjected to massive heat swings.
If the wedge moves and can be placed I the proper position, tighten the pin once properly positioned and clearing the blade. You can file, sand and polish the wedge to match the scales
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Originally Posted by Raol
Let me know if I can help at all my friend, also you have Jon up near you and he knows a thing or two also
Maybe a silly thought, but if the scales would have shrunken, wouldn't the metal decals have popped off or at least deformed? How certain are you that that blade closed in those same scales?
I was thinking.. where do you store your straight razors?
I think these are celluloid scales and they do shrink. A well know fact on pre 66 Fender strats and teles pick guards . Over time celluloid (cellulose nitrate ) is prone to shrinking, warping and cracking... Therefore it is almost impossible to find a pre 66 Fender guitar with a pick guard that is still 100% intact. Just my thoughts...
Now that is an interesting thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Bob
It's also possible that the pivot pin is bent pushing the blade toward the wedge. It could also be that the pin hole is too large for the pin. Try closing it almost entirely then, holding it at the wedge, pull on the tail to see if the blade moves fore and aft. If the pin is bent you may be able to replace it and solve your problem but I would.wait.to hear back from the manufacturer first. Unlikely they will cover anything if you have altered it.
Euclid440 quote < unless they were subjected to massive heat swings.>
Raol……. I purchased the razor a couple of years ago (Jan 2018 to be exact) from a member in Thailand who some of you might remember sold off all his straights. It arrived with this deformity as well as closing off center.
Euclid440 quote < The wedge edge, (inside) does not have to be perpendicular to the top edge of the scale, it can be angled as long as the blade clears the wedge.>
Raol……. Yes I was able to massage the wedge to 45 degrees but it still won’t clear.
Bruno quote < if the scales would have shrunken, wouldn't the metal decals have popped off or at least deformed? >
Raol ……..Good question Bruno,…..my guess is that if heat was the culprit it would not pop off.
PaulFLUS quote< It could also be that the pin hole is too large for the pin.>
Raol …….Agreed,.....I did check and there is a tiny bit of movement but not enough to have any effect.
32t quote < A hacksaw blade between the scales to shorten the wedge works for me but from your pictures you don't have enough room before you hit the pin.>
BobH quote < you could try sanding down the wedge inside the scales at an angle from top to bottom.>
Euclid440 quote < You can file, sand and polish the wedge to match the scales>
Raol……. I think this would be a good last resort.
In the meantime I sent a letter explaining the situation addressed to Ulrich Wiethoff of Dovo management who is away till the end of the month.
Lets see if I get a response before i take up Glen's offer.
gssixgun quote < Let me know if I can help at all my friend>
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Originally Posted by Raol
Good first move. I hope he comes through with a new set of scales at the very minimum for you.
Bob
There used to be a toy, called "Shrinky-Dinks" you drew pictures on thin plastic, popped it in the oven, and it shrank down, just as the name implied.
Its possible those were older Celluloid scales, its possible there was a blade swap, and they simply didnt fit. (close up of the pivit pin would help to maybe make that determination) And possible somebody left it on the window and the sun turned it into a very sharp "shrinkydink" =P
But yes, all the shrunken celluloid I have ever dealt with, the inlay has buckled at least a small amount. I doubt Dovo will send new scales for an old razor, but you never know. Karnack sees a package on its way to Glenn in the near future!
Another explanation could be that the razor was put into the wrong sized scales at the factory, or by another razor enthusiast doing a rescale. I once bought a Bengall 6/8 that had been put into the 5/8 sized scales at the factory by mistake - they definitely had two scale sizes. The pinning was done with original collars which ruled out amateur work.
I'd suggest fine flat file on the wedge. It needs to be small enough to not touch the scales and you will need to be very careful to work slowly enough not to get too near the pin. I had that problem with a razor with synthetic scales and a file I was able to find at the neighborhood hardware store provided the solution. It is slower, but does a more even job than a hacksaw blade, which allows you to be more precise. You only need to remove enough (predominantly from the top edge of the wedge) for the edge to fit into the scales. With a try. It work for me. Mine was a modern Boker.
+1 on the bent pin theory...Quote:
Originally Posted by Raol
If the pin is bent, as many dovos are, you would need to actually rotate the pin to gain clearance. Only fix I see is remove the pivot pin & see if you have enough clearance with a straight pin.
That seems a helluva lot of shrinkage.
Depending on how much I had in it, and once confirming that the pivot pin wasn't badly bent, I'd probably just take a bit off the end of the blade to make it fit. Easy enough to reshape and polish the end of the blade a few thou to clear the wedge.
Hinge pin not bent.Quote:
Originally Posted by will52100
Thank you all for your advise.
Ross Cutlerys quote is $55.00 for a new matching set of scales and $10.00 to put them on which to me seems like the most reasonable alternative.
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raol
$65 for new scales is not a bad price
The only problem I have is whats to say that the new ones won't shrink also.
I missed it but how old is this razor?
I purchased the razor Jan 2018 from one of our members here on the forum. It came in from Thailand so not sure of age. It arrived with this deformity as well as closing off center and the consensus here is that the razor was exposed to exceptional heat causing the shrinkage. Makes perfect sense to me. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by 32t
Honestly kinda doubt the scales shrank that much. Especially if you've never seen the blade properly closed. Seems much more likely that it simply had the wrong scales installed, possibly at the factory, possibly aftermarket. I'd think that if it was shrinkage then the metal logo would have become displaced, and/or be more signs of distortion, but then I guess anything is possible.
From the pictures there appears nothing wrong with the old scales. I would for sure save them for future use on another if nothing else Frankenrazor.
I just fixed one exactly like that
The scales are slightly warped and I had to do a Wedge cut down to get the razor closed
The razor is Mint and the owner is well known for sending me Seriously nice stuff that he cares for
These scales seem to have some issues
it is strange that the scales don't seem warped or misshapened other than it closes off center.
The metal decal looks good and not offering any indication of a shrinkage problem.
The metal blade almost reaches the wedge pin so shaving or spinning the pin isn't an option.
As i wrote earlier I purchased it from a member who no longer visits us here.
Goes by "dsipari" Junior Member from Thailand and this is his description of the Dovo.
1) Dovo Special, 6/8.
Gold wash still in tact! This razor closes slightly to the right, but other than that, its a beauty......with really nice balance and heft.
I guess he forgot to mention it doesn't close. :hmmm:
