Edge Repair or Repairable?

This is a blade that the scales are busted so I tried to sharpen it to see if I could get an edge before using some of the scales that I bought (wasting money). It is a "Blue Steel" with a "P&H" logo, so I don't know that there is any particular value to it.

I did the best I can photographing it with a cell phone camera (better than I thought it'd be). I started on diamond plate then went to my 1K stone. But, as I progressed through the stone chips kept forming. You can see on the photo that there is still surface corrosion on the bevel. I guess that the corrosion has damaged the edge so that as I sharpen it it just breaks bits away. So would I just be grinding and grinding away until if may get to nice steel after where those black pits are?

I did not sand this blade, just did some 3M and polishing compound. I for sure think that before I go further I will need to sand the blade and polish up near the edge. My next step was going to be to add two or three layers of tape and go back to the diamond plate to hasten the removal. But is it worth it? It is already less than 5/8", so I may end up with a 4/8" blade by the time I am done.

The photos make it look like there may be a crack in the blade, but there isn't. Also, it looks like the bevel is not fully set, which it isn't, but not as bad as the photo makes it look. There is just a small bit of reflection near where the chips and corrosion are. I don't remember seeing it while I was working on it, so it may have actually be from the masking tape I put on the edge so I don't have a sharp edge in the tool box.

Thanks everyone.

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Edit: I probably should have cleaned the blade. A lot of the rich dark black stuff just above the bevel is sharpie.

I think you have more than just a chip (blue arrow).
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I wonder if your diamond plate is causing microchips to form on the edge at the end of the stria. Have to tried setting the bevel with a 1k or 2k stone instead?

It’s hard to tell if the steel has been weakened by corrosion, but to my eyes, it doesn’t look that bad. I am shaving with razors that started out looking much worse. I’m sure others with more experience and expertise will add to the discussion.

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Originally Posted by DZEC

I think you have more than just a chip (blue arrow).
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I wonder if your diamond plate is causing microchips to form on the edge at the end of the stria. Have to tried setting the bevel with a 1k or 2k stone instead?

It’s hard to tell if the steel has been weakened by corrosion, but to my eyes, it doesn’t look that bad. I am shaving with razors that started out looking much worse. I’m sure others with more experience and expertise will add to the discussion.

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Thanks DZEC,

I am 90% it came after the diamond plate. Or got worse. I used the 1200 grit side of the diamond plate because before I had chipping from the 400 side. I was pretty focused on this area the whole time, but I have trouble getting a consistent view with my 30X magnifying glass. I am thinking of getting a 5X or 10X and calling that good enough.

But, I am certainly willing to go after it again on my 1K stone and see if it gets worse or better. If nothing else it is practice and experience.

That’s a crack, and as a whole the diamond plate is rough even at 1200, but that’s a crack

I've saved worse looking razors but there appears to be a lot of corrosion at the heel and toe.
It is not clear if you honed all of the corrosion out of these areas. I would go back to a 1000 grit stone and make sure the corrosion is gone. You will need a good loupe or scope to be certain.

That spot does appear to be a crack. If it is a crack it does not mean the blade is lost. It may still shave but could get worse. I've had poor luck saving cracked blades.

Good luck

Looks like advanced Cell Rot, it has eaten the bevel and edge. You will likely need to remove at least half the bevel to get past the crack and the pitting, even then questionable if you will hit good steel.

I would pass on this one. Why are you using masking tape?

As Everyone is saying, It looks like a crack to me. Push one side of the crack against your thumbnail. The bevel. See if it moves one side only. You should see a flex of the edge/bevel but as one. But I bet it's a crack. Saving can be done but you're going to need to really hog some steel away to get past it. Unless you have no others to work on I'd pass on this one for now. Just clean it up better and put it away. JMO.

Thanks guys,

I will double check the crack. Either the camera is at the right angle to pick it up and my loupe is not, or there is some strange shadow. If it turns out to be cracked I will probably put it away or make some windchimes. I have plenty of others to work on. I may anyway, based on some other advices, and that I am excited to get to some of the others i have to work on.

Euclid, I keep these in tackle box. When the blade is not in the scales and I am sharpening the blade, I put masking tape on it to protect the edge and my fingers when it is loose in the tackle box. I try to fold it so it is not actually contacting the edge. I figure that even if I glass the edge it is still pretty thin and can get dinged up and/or cut me if I am not careful.

So, if that is cell rot I suppose it is good that I trashed those scales :). I have seen a lot of things talking about cell rot and different scale materials, but with all the other things I am trying to learn, I have not started trying to figure out scale materials.

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Originally Posted by Gasman

As Everyone is saying, It looks like a crack to me. Push one side of the crack against your thumbnail. The bevel. See if it moves one side only. You should see a flex of the edge/bevel but as one. But I bet it's a crack. Saving can be done but you're going to need to really hog some steel away to get past it. Unless you have no others to work on I'd pass on this one for now. Just clean it up better and put it away. JMO.

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What the heck is a Flex Test :)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCP5ZZTOqh8&t=6s

Thumb flex test?

Hah, I've been doing that on my scythe blades for decades

It looks to me like that crack goes a pretty good ways up and curves to the left. I don't know that you're going to get rid of it but that doesn't mean you can't shave with it. I have one that I shaved with for a while that had a crack and I didn't even realize it for quite some time. Still, if it is I would put it away. That's what I did once I realized it had that crack in the one I have

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

What the heck is a Flex Test :)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCP5ZZTOqh8&t=6s

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I recognize that honing table.

Under higher magnification, what looks like a crack is chip lined up with a couple of deep pits. It gets blurred out in the photo and looks more gray.

Of course, the difference between that and a crack is probably negligible if those pits go more than half way through the blade it will just be a chip until it is all gone.

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Originally Posted by PaulFLUS

It looks to me like that crack goes a pretty good ways up and curves to the left. I don't know that you're going to get rid of it but that doesn't mean you can't shave with it. I have one that I shaved with for a while that had a crack and I didn't even realize it for quite some time. Still, if it is I would put it away. That's what I did once I realized it had that crack in the one I have

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Corrosion, crack, ugly, whatever it is I am not getting it to hone up well there. So, yeah, I am leaning pretty hard towards putting it away. If I do anything at this point it will just be to see what I can do and learn from it. Which is a lot less fun than the others I have to play with :).

Or you could make a reverse shorty. Nothing to lose on that razor.

Thanks to Glen for showing what the hell I was talking about. :tu