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11-26-2008, 05:07 PM #11
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11-26-2008, 05:11 PM #12
Good move to send it to Glen. In a perfect world the bevel would be uniform for the length of the blade and on either side. Unfortunately it ain't always that way. If the spine isn't spot on you may get a bevel that is uneven but it doesn't necessarily mean it won't give a fine shave. I always tape a blade before I hone it. I have too many to try and remember which was taped and which was not. IMHO taping before setting a bevel would be advisable in any case.
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11-26-2008, 05:13 PM #13
I agree removing tape will mean that you wouldn't be polishing the edge but not because you'd be creating a secondary bevel, but for the opposite reason as seen below in the second of the two crude diagrams. the edge is lifted off the stone after removing tape. This is bad.
That's just my 2 cents.
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11-26-2008, 05:19 PM #14
If you tape the spine, set the bevel and continue to hone throughout the whole progression it will come out just fine. If you tape it only for the bevel setting you will have to remove a bit of metal to get down to the edge but I don't think that you will wear the spine nearly as much as if you set the bevel without tape. Then again I suppose it depends on the condition of the blade you are starting with.
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11-26-2008, 05:19 PM #15
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Thanked: 13221Wow!!!! nice diagram Chis I wish I knew how to do those...
Absolutely correct too...
If you were to look at the top one and lift the back again it would show a double bevel with just the very very fine edge touching the hone
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11-26-2008, 05:22 PM #16
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Thanked: 6Really? My inexperienced logic would think that setting an initial narrow, but very flat and even spline bevel, would help later in consistent honing. Even if taped every time after for honing. Just because a new spline just comes to a point not a flat surface so to speak.
I understand the creation of a double bevel, I was just speaking of a new blade where a lot of work is needed to sharpen the edge, where honing out the double bevel would be implied.
I'll stop my speculation and just have Glen's experienced eyes take a look lol
Has anyone taped an EDGE to fix a spline bevel? The last thing I want is the edge bevel even wider, it's huge! lolLast edited by tsenfw; 11-26-2008 at 05:27 PM.
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11-26-2008, 05:33 PM #17
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11-26-2008, 05:33 PM #18"Blues fallin' down like hail." Robert Johnson
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11-26-2008, 05:35 PM #19
To tape or not to tape has been an ongoing debate. If you do a forum search you will find lively discussions on the topic with strongly held opinions on both sides. I opt to tape all of mine because I have so many that if I tried to recall which I had taped versus which I had not it would be impossible. If I thought I was doing harm to the blade I wouldn't tape any. After reading everything I could find on the subject as well as honing a mess of razors I am convinced that the addition of one layer of electrical tape isn't going to negatively affect the geometry of the razor. If you spend $1000.00 on a Tim Zowada razor you will receive a blade that was honed with 1 layer of tape until the final session where it is finished with 3 layers to set the fore mentioned secondary bevel. Apparently Tim doesn't find any harm in using tape to hone his razors. If it is good enough for him it is good enough for me.
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11-26-2008, 05:39 PM #20
I guess that there is no way you could unwind the trade? I don't think that razor is ever going to be the way that it should. If there isn't any way to send it back, then sending it to an expert for evaluation is a great idea.
Sometimes razormakers will coat a narrow strip along the edge of a Damascus blade before the acid dip (which brings out the pattern in the steel). This leaves a shiny, un-etched strip at the edge which looks like a wide bevel, but it protects the very edge from erosion. If this is (or was) the case the actual bevel could have been smaller than it appears. The spine and shoulder wear seem to evidence some kind of repair gone wrong IMHO. Good luck.