Starter Kit?? Paper and rouge??

I was about to order some stuff from these guys, yes, a trusted company and I came across some 3M sandpaper and rouge.

The sandpaper was an assortment of sheets ranging from 150 - 2500 ($14.60) and again from 400 - 8000 ($10.45). Yes, 8000. The only problem I saw was the 150 - 2500 lacks a good mid-range and the 400 - 8000 lacks a really low range.

The rouge is a sample... "Kit contains one 6-1/2-ounce bar each of crocus compound, green rouge, white rouge and red rouge." ($12.95) Each bar is 6½ ounces. Not bad for a dremel polisher.

I was wonder what you all thought about these. I was going to order the rouge samples today and buff wheels in felt and cotton.
If this is a good deal I thought it would be nice for people restoring and new restorers to get sandpaper rather than buying individually.

3M 150 - 2500:

http://www.riogrande.com/MemberArea/ProductPage.aspx?assetname=337342&page=GRID&catego ry|category_root|118=Finishing+Equipment+and+Suppl ies&category|cat_118|270=Abrasives&category|cat_27 0|962=Abrasive+Papers&first_answer=16

3M 400 - 8000:

http://www.riogrande.com/MemberArea/ProductPage.aspx?assetname=337308&page=GRID&catego ry|category_root|118=Finishing+Equipment+and+Suppl ies&category|cat_118|270=Abrasives&category|cat_27 0|962=Abrasive+Papers&first_answer=16

Rouge samples:

http://www.riogrande.com/MemberArea/ProductPage.aspx?assetname=3315151&page=GRID&categ ory|category_root|118=Finishing+Equipment+and+Supp lies&category|cat_118|288=Polishing&first_answer=3 1

Honestly, for the sandpaper, I would say go to Lowes (if you have one near ya) to pick it up. They carry 3M paper there. That way you can get the grits you want, but for the 1000 & 2000, go to Walmart. The auto section carries those higher grits (didn't find em at Lowes here.)

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Originally Posted by avatar1999

Honestly, for the sandpaper, I would say go to Lowes (if you have one near ya) to pick it up. They carry 3M paper there. That way you can get the grits you want, but for the 1000 & 2000, go to Walmart. The auto section carries those higher grits (didn't find em at Lowes here.)

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I hear ya. I can see your point of buying specific grits required, I just thought it would be nice to have a broad assortment of almost all the grits needed for a restore. However, for a small fry restorer such as myself buying this assortment would be all I need when doing it by hand. At 2 - 9"x11" sizes per grit that can go a long way for some of us small fries.

I was just at Home Depot and saw the assortment they offered and all the bundles, I could easily rack up $15 in paper just getting what I need and then some for a new comer restorer.

As I mentioned, buying the specific grits is awesome especially if you are running low on a specific grit but for getting started this is pretty nice to have an all inclusive bundle versus driving to multiple locations. And, not at a bad price, too.

However, I thought this would be nice to share and see if the restorers here would agree or possibly disagree about this. The investment is fairly low for both the sandpaper and rouge.

My apologies if this has upset the locals. I certainly hope it hasn't.

I'm a "small fry" restorer as well, but if you want to order one of those sets, I'd say get the first one you linked. Then pick up the in between grits that are missing (400, 600, 800) from Home Depot or similar. I really don't think you'll need the SUPER fine papers in the other set, especially is you're gonna use the rouge.

2000 grit is my max, then use Maas after that, and it's shiny enough for my tastes. Get a good reflection off the blade at that level.

I've been meaning to order some of the abrasive greaseless compounds to try instead of using sandpaper all the time. Trust me, couple sheets of each grit won't last a real long time if you're working on a couple of razors. Especially if you're trying to remove all the pitting on some rusted blades.

GL!

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Originally Posted by avatar1999

Honestly, for the sandpaper, I would say go to Lowes (if you have one near ya) to pick it up. They carry 3M paper there. That way you can get the grits you want, but for the 1000 & 2000, go to Walmart. The auto section carries those higher grits (didn't find em at Lowes here.)

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My Lowes has no higher than 420 Grit 3M, only @ my local Walmart I can get 2000 grit 3M.

Fill in with the other grits you want to try and give it a go. Let us know how the rouges work out.

Lynn

The only issue I see is, we usually recommend wet/dry sandpaper paper, but the first link says"...a great choice for effective dry preparation of metal surfaces."
When they say "dry"... usually means it is not recommended to be used wet.

The polishing paper is a great choice as well as the rogue.

Micromesh is pretty good too... and reusable.

As those concerned can see I removed all the offensive posts...

Let it go...

Paco Yers was not a problem other than it had a quote to one that was sorry man..

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Originally Posted by smythe

The only issue I see is, we usually recommend wet/dry sandpaper paper, but the first link says"...a great choice for effective dry preparation of metal surfaces."
When they say "dry"... usually means it is not recommended to be used wet.

The polishing paper is a great choice as well as the rogue.

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I followed up on this and Rio Grande customer service didn't know anything past the description.

So, I called 3M Abrasive Department. The lady indicated that all of the emery sandpaper is colored black and dark grey. She said, unless specified wet/dry it is considered dry. She also said the only difference between the two papers is a resin is applied on top of the wet/dry to make it waterproof so the abrasive material (silicon carbide) doesn't disconnect from the adhesive on the sandpaper. Thus maintaining consistency during wet conditions.

As for the rouge, I got my shipment a few moments ago and noticed Rio Grande goofed. The goof was in my favor. The purchase was for the samples at 6½ oz. bars with 4 bars total. Rio Grande sent me 4, 16oz bars. :D I had a sneaky suspicion something was odd when the UPS tracker said the box weighed 4 lbs. The package should have been 2 lbs. or a tad less. Closer inspection of the invoice indicates it's merely a "Polishing Compound Kit" with no specification of sizes. Now I have the full size bars at half the price. More compound than I will ever need at this point.

As for my outburst... I am sorry for the outburst to any moderator/admin involved. My apologies to khoas and anyone else who got involved. My emotional outburst is inexcusable. There is no rational excuse for it.

Life was easier as a lurker. And, so I shall return.

Take care gentlemen...

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Originally Posted by Logistics

As for my outburst... I am sorry for the outburst to any moderator/admin involved. My apologies to khoas and anyone else who got involved. My emotional outburst is inexcusable. There is no rational excuse for it.

Life was easier as a lurker. And, so I shall return.

Take care gentlemen...

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I just want to say, don't sweat it too much. We've all done things in real life and online we regret. One of the things I really like about SRP and the people involved, is it's a very diverse group of people. We have different backgrounds, differing opinions and many walks of life here. But for the most part we get along, :) which is rare in this day and age. :( Sometimes it take a little work to get along, but it's worth it. So IMHO, I think you should come out of lurk mode anytime you want. I did find this thread informative. Thanks

I accept your apology, I've been in a similar situation before. I just want to say is that due to different grit systems, the two variety packs are likely the same- as I own 3m emery paper and its ANSI, and 8k grit only exists in JIS. I could be wrong though. Don't sweat it.

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Originally Posted by Logistics

I followed up on this and Rio Grande customer service didn't know anything past the description.

So, I called 3M Abrasive Department. The lady indicated that all of the emery sandpaper is colored black and dark grey. She said, unless specified wet/dry it is considered dry. She also said the only difference between the two papers is a resin is applied on top of the wet/dry to make it waterproof so the abrasive material (silicon carbide) doesn't disconnect from the adhesive on the sandpaper. Thus maintaining consistency during wet conditions.

As for the rouge, I got my shipment a few moments ago and noticed Rio Grande goofed. The goof was in my favor. The purchase was for the samples at 6½ oz. bars with 4 bars total. Rio Grande sent me 4, 16oz bars. :D I had a sneaky suspicion something was odd when the UPS tracker said the box weighed 4 lbs. The package should have been 2 lbs. or a tad less. Closer inspection of the invoice indicates it's merely a "Polishing Compound Kit" with no specification of sizes. Now I have the full size bars at half the price. More compound than I will ever need at this point.

As for my outburst... I am sorry for the outburst to any moderator/admin involved. My apologies to khoas and anyone else who got involved. My emotional outburst is inexcusable. There is no rational excuse for it.

Life was easier as a lurker. And, so I shall return.

Take care gentlemen...

:lurk:

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I have been buying “stuff” for some time now I learned “It’s not meant for what they don’t say”… in other words if they explicitly say “wet/dry” then it’s wet or dry use, but if they don’t say “wet/dry” then you can assume it’s for dry use only.

Yes, most sales persons don’t have a clue about the product beyond what’s on the package label… but they know everything about credit cards... lolol
Emory paper is used mostly dry because the glue is very inexpensive, but is water soluble and the paper will fall apart when wet, so most of us “wet sand” razors with wet/dry Silicon Carbide sandpaper… it cuts faster than Emory.

16 oz bars for the price of 6 oz?… It seems you are of to a good start, post some pics of he polished razors so we all com celebrate your good fortune.

Truth be told… I began reading this thread when the dust had already cleared, and only understood what happened after Gssixgun’s post… we all get that way sometimes, it’s only human and no one will hold it against you… and don’t return to lurking, keep posting, as someone may benefit from your experience… Indeed I ordered some of that 3M polishing paper for a special project… so I owe you one for that link.

Before and After. 2 Pics each.
All 4 bars were used. A dremel bit, knife-edge, hard felt was used for the green cutting compound and green rouge.

The razor really does have a mirror shine but I'll be damned if I can take a good pic to show it.

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