When to do a re-pin

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01-10-2010, 05:50 PM
Alembic

When to do a re-pin

Ok, here is the first of my "pick your brains" posts.

Before I do any initial cleaning on my great-grandfather's razors that I posted, I was wandering how do you gentlemen decide to pull the pins and work on the blade separately from the scales? Do you always pull them irrespective of how much polishing you are going to do on the blade? Do you ever buff the scales while the blade is still pinned?

Here is the post from the Razors forum. Which ones would you pull the pins on?

Thanks in advance oh gurus of restore.

Here they are:
1. FWE Special - Solingen
2. Black Smith - SR Droescher, New York, Made in Germany
3. Lemaire - Solingen
4. KABAR - Union Cutlery, Olean New York
5. El Barbero - A Paris
6. Davide Collini, Milano
7. FRN Crown & Sword for my first restore
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01-10-2010, 05:57 PM
Del1r1um

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Originally Posted by Alembic

Ok, here is the first of my "pick your brains" posts.

Before I do any initial cleaning on my great-grandfather's razors that I posted, I was wandering how do you gentlemen decide to pull the pins and work on the blade separately from the scales? Do you always pull them irrespective of how much polishing you are going to do on the blade? Do you ever buff the scales while the blade is still pinned?

Here is the post from the Razors forum. Which ones would you pull the pins on?

Thanks in advance oh gurus of restore.

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From your pics, I wouldn't pull any of them unless there is something wrong with the scales that we can't see (severe warping or cracking on the other sides for example)

Those scales look nice enough to not risk ruining them by unpinning and the pins look pretty good from the pics. you will be able to get the tangs and stuff clean and bright by using things like floss and those little dental floss/plastic pick things. And you should be able to clean those scales up pretty easily either with really light buffing or hand polishing.
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For sure, I wouldn't be pulling the pins on the first two. I might pull the others but only if I just wanted to make some scales I liked better than the originals.

That's my take anyhow.
01-10-2010, 05:59 PM
JimmyHAD

Here is a reply from a guy who doesn't know how to do a re-pin. I am really good at taking them out and breaking the scales in the process. I practiced on three separate razors and managed to break all three. So wait for the experts and follow their advice before you get too ambitious. :)

If there is a lot of grunge around the pivot area, if you want to sand and polish the blade more easily, if you want to put the blade in a vibratory tumbler re-pinning is necessary.

If none of the above unwaxed dental floss with metal polish and a soft toothbrush are helpful to get into the tight areas and so are Q-tips with the ends hammered flat.
01-10-2010, 06:04 PM
Alembic

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Originally Posted by Del1r1um

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From your pics, I wouldn't pull any of them unless there is something wrong with the scales that we can't see (severe warping or cracking on the other sides for example)

Those scales look nice enough to not risk ruining them by unpinning and the pins look pretty good from the pics. you will be able to get the tangs and stuff clean and bright by using things like floss and those little dental floss/plastic pick things. And you should be able to clean those scales up pretty easily either with really light buffing or hand polishing.

For sure, I wouldn't be pulling the pins on the first two. I might pull the others but only if I just wanted to make some scales I liked better than the originals.

That's my take anyhow.

Thank you for a quick reply. I want to keep all of the scales as they were my great-grandfathers. There actually is some scale damage on the Davide Collini razor, which is the second one from the bottom. It looks like somebody (maby even great grandad) tried to tighten the blade pin and did some filing on the area between the pin and the very end. I will probably do this one last and pull that pin to repair the scales.

David
01-10-2010, 06:07 PM
Del1r1um

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Originally Posted by Alembic

Thank you for a quick reply. I want to keep all of the scales as they were my great-grandfathers. There actually is some scale damage on the Davide Collini razor, which is the second one from the bottom. It looks like somebody (maby even great grandad) tried to tighten the blade pin and did some filing on the area between the pin and the very end. I will probably do this one last and pull that pin to repair the scales.

David

Oh, forgot to mention... if there is one you want to be absolutely perfect, don't forget the most important step:

Send it to Max or Glen
;)
01-10-2010, 06:46 PM
Alembic

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Originally Posted by Del1r1um

Oh, forgot to mention... if there is one you want to be absolutely perfect, don't forget the most important step:

Send it to Max or Glen

:rofl2: That's pretty funny. I am not a newbie with tools, sanding and buffing, here are some of my pipes I make. But I'm not stupid either. I will take this into serious consideration. I don't know Glen or Max. How did I get in touch with them? BTW - I was always going to have Lynn do my honing.

David

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01-10-2010, 06:52 PM
Del1r1um

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Originally Posted by Alembic

:rofl2: That's pretty funny. I am not a newbie with tools, sanding and buffing, here are some of my pipes I make. But I'm not stupid either. I will take this into serious consideration. I don't know Glen or Max. How did I get in touch with them? BTW - I was always going to have Lynn do my honing.

David

Cool... check out the classifieds under member services

here are the links

Member services

Max

Glen

and it will be honed before it leaves their hands, rest assured it will be ready
01-10-2010, 07:14 PM
Sailor

Do not re-pin if there is no reason to do so. If the scales are loose you could first try to tighten them with a small ballhead hammer.
When i take old pins out i use very small file to flatten the other end of the pin. If you have any small-rpm grinder you can use it too, but you need some base to keep the scales steady.
Lastly i just push the pin out with a mandrel or nail. In this point the scale breaks, if ever.

Nice pipes, by the way!
01-10-2010, 07:19 PM
BKratchmer

Beautiful pipes you've made, wow!
01-12-2010, 01:54 AM
matt321

Not sure if this was mentioned, but another good reason to re-pin is if you can't tighten loose scales because the pivot pin is bent.
01-12-2010, 02:37 AM
nessmuck

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Originally Posted by Alembic

:rofl2: That's pretty funny. I am not a newbie with tools, sanding and buffing, here are some of my pipes I make. But I'm not stupid either. I will take this into serious consideration. I don't know Glen or Max. How did I get in touch with them? BTW - I was always going to have Lynn do my honing.

David

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very nice work indeed on those pipes, what kind of wood did you use, some type of burl? some scales made out of that wood !!!
01-12-2010, 02:40 AM
BingoBango

Sorry if I just :HJ this thread, but I think it's relevant:

What cleaning products, if any, would you use when you clean in between the tang and the scales with a floss pick? Rubbing alcohol?
01-12-2010, 06:22 AM
shooter1

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Originally Posted by BingoBango

Sorry if I just :HJ this thread, but I think it's relevant:

What cleaning products, if any, would you use when you clean in between the tang and the scales with a floss pick? Rubbing alcohol?

I use whatever polish is currently open and on the bench, usually Semichrome, but Mass, etc. will work fine. Dip the floss is the polish and go to town... keeping an eye on the blade at all times during this procedure helps cut down on the first aid practice. As does putting tape on it... ask me how I know!
01-12-2010, 01:24 PM
ScottGoodman

I know EXACTLY what you are talking about. I now keep a roll of blue painters tape on the bench just to cover the edge. If I'm not honing, the edge is taped, thank goodness that super glue has medical uses as well:rant:

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Originally Posted by shooter1

I use whatever polish is currently open and on the bench, usually Semichrome, but Mass, etc. will work fine. Dip the floss is the polish and go to town... keeping an eye on the blade at all times during this procedure helps cut down on the first aid practice. As does putting tape on it... ask me how I know!
01-12-2010, 01:45 PM
Lynn

Really nice pipe crafting!!!

When I am doing restoration, I always try to preserve the original scales if possible. Sometimes you may not have a choice but to remove them or replace them, but particularly in heirloom razors, it is nice to preserve them whenever you can.

Lynn