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I was watching a YouTube video about Mastro Livi making a razor and was interested on his honing technique. From what he said he only uses a 3k Kai stone then goes to CrOx for quite a few laps.
Has anyone used his method?
I assume it works well since from my understanding his edges are amazing.
Never tried nor will I, but this goes to show how many different methods there are. Try it and see. One thing that I think we need to understand is the barbers used maybe a 6 or 8k max barbers hone and were able to do a few laps, leather and chop another 20 beards. Ive never shaved off a Mastro Livi but Ive heard wonderful things about them.
Wow!! Do you have a link? That seems incredible!
Oddly enough, just recently a new guy fell into this method and posted about it. I was dubious... But maybe its a thing?
Its at 26 minutes, when he hones.
So I tried it on my american knife co. Razor. Gave it a go. It was really sharp. Not too smooth though.
Here is a pic of the bevel at 30x
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Went 4k Norton (which may be the problem, I just got the 4/8k today) to CrOx for about 50-60 laps.
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Originally Posted by meleii
There ya go, high 5 Brother that is what I like to read, I am most impressed that you saw something, asked a question, and then decided to go test it yourself.. We need more people like you, the ones that say "I am going to go see what happens"..
I bet you keep messing with it and tweaking the process you will get it to work for you...
I'm going to work with the Norton a bit to get used to the feel of it. The system definitely has potential.
I'm going to try it on an older Sheffield near wedge tomorrow. And put CrOx in a piece of vintage linen I have laying around instead of the leather I have it on. I'll have more results tomorrow.
This was some years back so forgive any errors in my memory
It was from one of the EU forums that I read a linked post and basically it was saying the we (SRP) are hone fanatics and that many there used 1k -3k stones then moved to a loom strop with pastes to bring the edge into being.. basically set the bevel and then smooth it up using a convex approach using paste..
These guys swore by it.. honestly part of that was what got me originally thinking that the "One Stone" hone system should work..
It is a shame how some of the old honing information is getting lost. I remember not so long ago 3 years or so, the hone you were recommended to refresh a dull blade was a Barbers hone.
How often do you hear a Barbers hone mentioned now?
Same with new people to honing being told "get you edge sorted on a 8k then invest in a finisher/polisher"
These days it seem everyone want to rush out and buy 12k Naniwa's and the latest greatest natural high gritters.
Back to basic guys, extract the best from what you have before running out for the 'Holy Grail' ;)
Like Glen says, we are rather stone-centric around here.
Seems it is a North American thing, along with other parts of the world.
In parts of Europe though, pasted strops are, and have been for ages, the bee's knees:)
Personally I have played around with it for some time, and it does work just fine.
Set/reset bevel and then work a progression of pastes all the way to a finishing strop.
Out of all the razors I have handled, the one that was the sharpest and smoothest out of the box was honed using that very method.
A custom maker from Europe did it, and by golly, that thing impressed anyone who tried it out.
Still, me like them hones too much to not choose them as my preferred method.
I nearly laughing reading that emboldened part!Quote:
Originally Posted by Birnando
Were I to have the stones you had, I couldn't imagine you being anything other than a hone... uh, "lover" :).
Well, there is always more than one way to skin a cat but I'll stay with hones since I may finally have that sorted out.
Bob
Second attempt: C. F. Wolfertz Allentown razor.
Bevel set on king 800 due to some chipping, 40 circles on Norton 4k followed by 25x strokes. Then linen treated heavily with CrOx in sets of 10 checking the edge after each set. Did 6 sets and thought it looked nice so did 10 more laps. Followed by vintage dubl duck Russian strop.
Here is the edge at 60x.
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Shave was super smooth and edge felt like shaving with a blunt object. Felt no hairs being cut but had a 2 pass BBS shave.
Prep was hot shower
Soap was tiki spice island (my goto soap)
Brush was omega boar face lathered
Although the system can work, I like variety and think it would be very boring to hone a blade exactly the same. No spice of life. But YMMV as always.
That's a reason I was giving this a go. Trying out another option.Quote:
Originally Posted by bill3152
Well dont let me rain on your parade! LOL. Let us all know how it works out!
Looks really interesting and a bet that Livi fellow is a bit of a character :) I don't have any crox, my understanding from this site is that not all CrOx is built the same. Has anyone got any sources for decent stuff in the UK as I'd love to give this a go :D
mike1011,
Mr Miller stocks 0.5 micron CrOx (and cerium oxide) powder :
Chrome-, Cerium- & Tin Oxide Powder
I use it by rubbing the powder directly onto a leather paddle strop (don't breathe in the dust !!). It only takes a little powder to do the job :)
Have fun :)
Best regards
Russ
Stones-naturals, synthetics, barber hones; pastes of many colors and grit sizes; and don't forget lapping films; and I'm reading more about stropping progressions and playing around with that-there are many roads to sharp. For many of us, I think playing around with them, learning and experimenting (on our own faces!) is half the fun!
I'm not sure if we Americans are smarter or lazier than the Europeans.
I'd rather do 10 laps on an 8k, 10 laps on a 12k, and 10 laps on CrOx (30 laps total)
than to go directly to CrOx and do 60 laps.
For me, fewer laps is fewer chances to mess the bevel up.
I have done 4k to 1 micron diamond to .25 micron diamond on a carving knife, it took a good bit of time, but the blade came out with the same sharpness.
