Thread: Sharpness of Straight vs DE & SE

From what i read, honing straights will not get them as sharp as DE or SE blades.

Personnaly i use a feather AC and it's sharper and smoother than any straight i have.

Some members have honed with different angles from 14 to 20 degrees.
They report that smaller angles are sharper,
yet Zowada says that feathers are about 22 degrees

I'm puzzle. Anyone has theories or comments on that.

I have no real evidence to back this up other than personal observation on feather's agressiveness, but I think that feathers might be sharper because the steel is stiffer. I think straight razor edges are thinner and have more elasticity. I find real straights much more forgiving, and give me a more comfortable shave than a feather. I'd take comfort over closeness any day.

You know I have heard this for some time now, that DE and SE blades are sharper than straights...
I have also told people numerous time to use either one, to get a feel for how the edge tests (TNT, TPT, HHT) should look and feel when learning to hone....

I have always taken this to be a true statement, until I actually bought a DE and actually used it ONCE to shave with before selling it.... (not for me)
At that time I took one of the DE blades and did what I had told people to do many times, and tried the blade tests myself... Needless to say I was not all that impressed with what I found, it passed all the tests and I still think it is a good way to learn how the tests should feel, but I would put any of my edges against those Personna edges any day of the week...
I have never even held a Feather so I could not say on that one...
That's my new 2 cents...
So from now on I will not automatically assume that machine made edges are better than hand honed straight edges, I wanna see it, and have it proved to me....

Originally Posted by gssixgun

So from now on I will not automatically assume that machine made edges are better than hand honed straight edges, I wanna see it, and have it proved to me....

I'm with you Glen. I used a DE for 6 months and tried maybe 20 different blades and after my experience with my straights some have proven to be as sharp or sharper but smoother than any DE blade including the Feather.

bj

I shave customers at my barbers shop fpr health and saftey reason and i have to say they are ultra sharp.But in some ways to sharp you have to have an ukltra light touch with these kind of blades as to much pressiure and you will easily get blood spots which is'nt aproblem but still is'nt good. I have used straight razors and they are more forgiving by far it sounds daft but you can realy get stuck in with astraight and they are ten times more forgiving provided the blade is honed up nice you will get as closer shave but a lot more smoother silky feeling with no irritation at all . The problem is many peaple go from feather artist or dovo shavette to a full on cut throat and it will be differant especialy if it is not quite shave ready and they think what this aint a patch on my feather. When have hoined your own straight up to parr and you do get a great shave with a straight razor you will never use that feather again i don't and never will i have 21 razors now and i try to use them all and i find they all sound differant and shave differant. Best thing you could do is buy a shave ready blade then you will see the differance.

I don't know, guys...I honestly think there is no physical way for a straight to be that much better than a DE. I mean, I have never gotten a good straight shave, but after a good DE shave I am BBS for an entire work day, and I am smooth enough for work for a solid 20 hours...I have a fairly coarse, fast growing beard, too. Before, when I was using an electric, my beard grew back in about 6 hours. Unless a straight will keep me hairless for days, it's just not conceivable for the shave to be greatly superior.

I'm not arguing that straights are inferior to DE, not at all, I just don't think that Straights are as superior to DEs as is often argued. Taking the reduced learning curve and reduced maintenance into account, you shouldn't discount DE shaving. I will never give up my Futur...no matter how good my straight shaves get.

Don't hate on them...they're an excellent option.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

You know I have heard this for some time now, that DE and SE blades are sharper than straights...
I have also told people numerous time to use either one, to get a feel for how the edge tests (TNT, TPT, HHT) should look and feel when learning to hone....

I have always taken this to be a true statement, until I actually bought a DE and actually used it ONCE to shave with before selling it.... (not for me)
At that time I took one of the DE blades and did what I had told people to do many times, and tried the blade tests myself... Needless to say I was not all that impressed with what I found, it passed all the tests and I still think it is a good way to learn how the tests should feel, but I would put any of my edges against those Personna edges any day of the week...
I have never even held a Feather so I could not say on that one...
That's my new 2 cents...
So from now on I will not automatically assume that machine made edges are better than hand honed straight edges, I wanna see it, and have it proved to me....

And I would put one of your edges up against a Derby Extra DE blade any day of the week, too. When I received my Glen sharpened straight, I compared it directly to a Derby Extra DE blade. I did all the usual tests, as well as a few *unusual* tests. There was no discernible difference.

To those that say that DE blades are sharper, I would counter the argument that there is a difference between ease of use and sharpness. The DE blade, and it's corresponding "safety razor" take out *alot* of the variables that can cause uncomfortable shaving; safety razors are *much* easier to just pick up and get a comfortable shave without much learning curve. If you take a straight of equivalent sharpness, given correct technique, you will get *at least* as close and comfortable shave as with the DE.

Let's say that on one day, you give a guy an adjustable safety razor with a new blade in it, set to it's least aggressive setting. Don't give him any instructions (he's never used one before), and let him get to work. he'll probably get a decent shave.

The next day, give him a straight of corresponding sharpness. Again, don't give him any instructions. Let him get to work, but make sure you have the Red Cross there to replace the lost blood.

Summary: I'd put a honemeister sharpened blade up against any machined DE blade anytime. Sharpness isn't to be confused with ease of use.