Life on The Edge, What Is The Same, What Is Different

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Originally Posted by 0livia

we are an endangered species actually.
The products we need, are such small numbers,
compared to the rest, that only very few manufacturers take care of our needs.
Hence there may be a little less progress among the fine grit stuff.
There's less competition in that field, so the manufacturers are lazy.

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OTOH, as long as there is wood there will be wood workers and plane irons and chisels to sharpen as well as other tools for jewelers, machinists, and surgeons. So there will be some R&D and more to come down the road that we can adapt to la cosa nostra. :)

Well I can only tell what my customers say:
They all liked the edges from the naturals.
Trouble started when I experimented with films and synthetics. :eek:

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Originally Posted by Kingfish

Hair and cellulose are more similar than you think. In nature a buffalo's horn is basically hair fused together.I have turned horn on the lathe and turned wood, more similarities than difference IMHO. But maybe you are right and the model does not work, but you will have to do some work to make me understand.
Mike

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When turning on the lathe, trade your chisel for a shave ready straight razor blade.

Shave with your woodturning chisel.

Heck, shave with an end grain plane.

Comparing turning horn and wood might be similar, sure.

How does that compare to the hair on my face??

My face is not rotating (except after alot of beer ha), especially when I shave.

Hair density? The hair on my face is no where even close to the density of horn.

skin vs wood ... Dude, need I say more?

Simply put, the relation is a distant stretch at best.

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Originally Posted by 0livia

O dio, sei italiano? :)

.... I love this country so much and also the people there and from there.
My ex (numero uno) was italian! So I understand some things better now.
We are mortals! :) No more and no less!
We serve no asses (well usually not, LOL) on plates
and your english skills are so much better than mine (miiinzega!) :D

I've come across a website of a hone manufacturer lately
who advertises with a new recipe for longer standing time.
Different grain shape!
It was mostly regarding coarse industrial stuff though.
But there seems to be development.

Will ask my brother what he thinks about, but from what he's told me already
we are an endangered species actually.
The products we need, are such small numbers,
compared to the rest, that only very few manufacturers take care of our needs.
Hence there may be a little less progress among the fine grit stuff.
There's less competition in that field, so the manufacturers are lazy.

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Si bella, sono italiano pero de Sicilia. Invece, sono Italiano a massimo:boohoo:
The market forces explain the limited choices.
Ciao,
Michael Antonino C

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Well not being with the sharpening back then I can only go by my particular skill level with what was available back then as opposed to what is available now. It seems to me that modern synthetic hones and other media may offer a slight advantage in sharpening razors.

OTOH, the coticules and Eschers were great hones then and now. I am reluctant to open myself up to getting flamed but I will say IMO that while the coticule won't get a razor as scary sharp as a 16k Shapton or a 12k Naniwa it will get a razor sharp enough and more importantly will have a smoother feel than the scary sharp edges.

If I am not mistaken a barber would rather have a more comfortable and maybe longer lasting edge than what they would have with the scary sharp hones. Since I don't shave anyone but me I may be all wet on that assumption.

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I know honers love naturals for good reason. There seems to be a refinement as well as a sharpness. I don't think that gives anyone using a synthetic stone an excuse for not doing things to get their edges every bit as comfortable. That is why with straights, I am back into .3 micron film(did I mention I really want the 30000 Shapton?) There was a time not long ago I could not finish, I mean really finish with almost no tooth visible, and feel comfy at that level.
Mike

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Originally Posted by Whiskers

When turning on the lathe, trade your chisel for a shave ready straight razor blade.

Shave with your woodturning chisel.

Heck, shave with an end grain plane.

Comparing turning horn and wood might be similar, sure.

How does that compare to the hair on my face??

My face is not rotating (except after alot of beer ha), especially when I shave.

Hair density? The hair on my face is no where even close to the density of horn.

skin vs wood ... Dude, need I say more?

Simply put, the relation is a distant stretch at best.

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:beer2:Good Lord Whiskers,

I have turned my head quick for special reasons, but never got the whole thing rotating!!!LOL You could be totaly right.:( That would be OK, 26 years of married in August, I sure do know how to be wrong:beer2:
Mike

As I said to Olivia in the live chat .. I think I understand the essence of what you say . I don't understand some of the technical theory and comments in the whole thread -- but it's the essence thats the important thing ..


( I just know someone is gonna ask me what I percieve of it {check the irc logs LOL } )

Kind regards ... Garry

Some of the nicest guys are simply too shy :)

to add to my last post up there ^^:
So now I do the work on the synthetics and apply some natural make up later. :)

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Originally Posted by jendeindustries

I think those were the frictionite 00 or XX

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The info on the recipe mystery got me thinking back to an email conversation I had with Tilly back in 2006 , prior to her actually selling frictionite to the general folks she kindly sent me one to try ..
here it is :-)

Sometimes I think
when they made these hones the ingrediants varied because they did not
have anything measured out...I have hones that are exactly the same
hone,and are totally different colors...I have a box of seconds called
No. 24 frictionites....Much like the Lithide(in fact I think the lithide
is one of the frictionites)....Just my thoughts..

interesting :-)


kind regards Garry