bevel setting with a swaty

so Ive got a dull razor and a three line swaty

the razor wouldn't shave any leg/arm hair
I used a three line swaty with regular water and quite a lot of hard pressure and very aggressive strokes
i like experimenting
after maybe only 5 to 10 minutes very aggressive honing on the swaty the razor shaves leg hair again, not as good as should be, but it's getting better
I might experiment some more later to see if I could get it near shave ready condition and a possible shave test, altho I'm not sure it's going to work, the fact it can shave hair again is pretty impressive to me
it's not shaving the hair as easily as it should, but we'll see what happens in the future it might just work or it might not
o/

Three line swaty is very course stone and fast cutting. if you check past posts you will find about it. you can definitely set bevel with it. ( i have done it myself)
i used 3 line swaty australia
3 line swaty German
3line swaty American
swaty atustralia
frictionate 00

That razor get shave ready condition.
You may wonder why so many 3 line swaty's in there.
They are in order courser to finer.
Note ; I am talking about really 3 line swaty stones(which has actual words three line swaty) not the written 3 line swaty( example swaty,australia,murbrug something ok)
hope this helps

ow kewl man
i was always told it was only a touch up hone
i never imagined setting a bevel with it ^^
good to hear man this is pretty neat :d

Most hones will hone a razor to get a bevel no matter what. We just use grits and other size stones to achieve the edge's peak at a quicker pace. I have set bevels on the swaty 3 line (The real ones) and I then moved to finer stones for polishes, it works.

Huh ?? :eek: That is a new one for me. I've always had the luxury of a sure enough 1k bevel setter of one brand or another. If you guys say it can be done I won't doubt your word but I think I will stick with my coarser stones for the bevel setting and leave the Swaty for the touchups. :)

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Huh ?? :eek: That is a new one for me.

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Me too. I'm sure you guys are right, but just to throw in my two cents, it's worth stressing that the fact that an old ebay razor begins to keen up quickly on a given hone doesn't necessarily mean you're really resetting the bevel. It all depends on the starting condition of the razor. Many ebay finds are dull and rounded, and basically bevel-less in the sense that you're not even reaching the "edge" when you start honing. If you've got one of these and within five minutes on a swaty you're shaving arm hair then yes, that's a significant indication of the swaty's cutting power.

But a fair number of ebay rescues in fact have good edge geometry, so to speak, and these'll keen up pretty quick even on a polishing hone. But that doesn't mean you're really resetting the bevel, because you're not removing all the old corroded metal and exposing the new.

Just something to think about.

I think i need to clear things in here a little
Three line swaty will cut a little faster then NORTON 4k and bevel will be in almost same level.
There is a differences between
3 line swaty which most people uses for final touch up and actual three line swaty.
Please understand this.
hope this helps a little

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Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl

I think i need to clear things in here a little
Three line swaty will cut a little faster then NORTON 4k and bevel will be in almost same level.
There is a differences between
3 line swaty which most people uses for final touch up and actual three line swaty.
Please understand this.
hope this helps a little

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Yes, I got this, and it was definitely new to me – thanks!

What I wrote was a response to the original post. I was just warning in general against concluding that a given hone is a good bevel-setter just because an old ebay razor responds quickly to it. It's possible (in fact quite common in my experience) for an old razor to have good edge geometry AND corroded steel. This kind of edge will respond very quickly even to a finishing hone and will start popping hairs, so it may feel like you're resetting the bevel but you're really not, and due to the punk steel you'll get a scratchy shave and/or an edge that won't last.

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Originally Posted by dylandog

Yes, I got this, and it was definitely new to me – thanks!

What I wrote was a response to the original post. I was just warning in general against concluding that a given hone is a good bevel-setter just because an old ebay razor responds quickly to it. It's possible (in fact quite common in my experience) for an old razor to have good edge geometry AND corroded steel. This kind of edge will respond very quickly even to a finishing hone and will start popping hairs, so it may feel like you're resetting the bevel but you're really not, and due to the punk steel you'll get a scratchy shave and/or an edge that won't last.

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I have nothing against it.

just to get this right:

The Swaty that actually has the words "three line" wirtten on him
will probably cut a bit faster than a 4k and polish *only* as much as 4k?

Yes. I have owned, oh, 6 swatys, and there is a thread on swaty provenance (titled similarly) discussing this. The "real" 3-line says literally:
Franz Swaty
Wahring bei Wien
(Austria)
on three lines and was based in Wahring bei Wien (duh).

They moved to Marburg Austria, and it became the two line:
Franz Swaty
Marburg Austria.

Due to Politics, Marburg Austria became Maribor Yugoslavia hence:
Franz Swaty
Maribor Yugoslavia
(some varianrs actually include the statement "formerly Marburg Austria" or something)
The Yugo hones are in 2-line and 4-line variants.

Finally, Pike eventually bought them or the rights and began producing an American hone titled literally "The 3-line Franz Swaty Barber Hone". People muse this might be an advertising scam in response to demands for the "real" 3-line hones.

The WbW 3-liners are fine touch up hones, the Pike 3-liners are the coarser ones, if knowledge serves. From experience they are all quite fast, and both Austria hones (2-line and 3-line) will eventually set a bevel as well (100's of laps though). Since I bought real hones I have never attempted that again, and have sold all but my favourite which I now use in its intended role for touching up razors.

Edit: to clarify, I am saying all CAN be used with enough pressure and time- but the one that says literally "3-line" on it is very coarse (4k) and the one that says Franz Swaty Wahring bei Wien Austria (that we call three line) is very smooth (10k).