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Vintage Wade and Butcher Sheffield Strait Razor with Blue Box No Lid | eBay
need some knowledge dropped on me plz, the link above is an odd wade to me, it has barber style scales? but it's not saying its FBU on the blade or on the tang! also the arrow, cross and B is not there.
Not all W&B have the arrow and cross logo on them. Not sure why or when they started using it, but I have seen many that don't. They also made plenty of big blades that weren't FBU blades. Is there a difference in them? I seriously doubt it but I'm not positive.
Lol. I just reread my post and realized it wasn't any help at all. Sorry
That actually is a For Barber's Use. The jargon was etched onto the blade and it's been sanded off. One of the pictures has a closeup of 'black marks' on the blade, and you can just barely make out the lettering.
The arrow & cross is a bit of a mystery. My theory is that it, along with the 'Bow' mark were purchased from William Gilchrist in the early 1860's, but all the evidence is circumstantial.
What is pretty certain is that they never used either mark before 1860 or so.
That's about 40 years of production without using the mark, so there are a lot of Wade & Butcher razors without the arrow & cross.
It is obviously no darn good ....... don't bid on it ! :rofl2:
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Or learn a lesson and never let the forum know about a desirable razor until you've already placed the winning bid ....... :deal:
On the top along the spine...looks like there could have been something written there...could be a, "Magnum Bonum"?
Total pce of garbage, but thanks for the link
Man there some sharks in here. .. but it will be a ruthless battle for this one. ..
Good call, Zak. I thought at first it was a wedge reground. It is an old hollow-ground which was allowed to rust and sanded upon. Still, a neat old blade! Hell, I will bid! :rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Voidmonster
Oh, enough with the Magnum Bonum! :rolleyes: You see it everywhere! You probably have dreams of them! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Phrank
A bit off topic, but is there a write up about the dating of the W&Bs? I don't remember running across one and searching for Wade and Butcher brings up way to many links to sort through.
Yeah, it doesn't say Magnum Bonum. It says 'PHRANK WILL BUY ME'.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharptonn
Sorry sharptonn, just giving my opinion, the area along the spine looked liked it had some etching on it...that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharptonn
LOL - have two MB's, so no, and I like this one better!Quote:
Originally Posted by Voidmonster
http://straightrazorpalace.com/membe...arbers-use.jpg
In the photos in the auction you can make out that it once had Celebrated Hollow Ground For Barbers Use etched on the belly of the blade.
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It's a tricky business without any hard, fast rules, unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattCB
If you're lucky enough to find one of the ones with a crown mark, you can date them to the monarch easily.
GR (and the letters can be under or on either side of the crown) dates to 1820-1830. WR was 1830-1836, and VR is 1837 to... uh, some mysterious point well before Victoria died but well after 1837.
For whatever reason, there aren't many Wade & Butcher razors (compared to other manufacturers) with the VR stamp. It's not because they weren't producing things, but just because they weren't producing them under the royal warrant. WR stamped razors are less common just because William IV wasn't king for very long at all.
Beyond that it's all a convoluted mess. Unless you want to become a Wade & Butcher scholar, it's easier to just ask here on the forum.
Where does it say Magnum Bonum? What does that mean? Big-ass razor? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Phrank
Suuuuure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phrank
I know how it is. Me and Joseph Elliot razors have the same problem. I'm all done collecting them. I can tell because I keep finding new ones in my mailbox.
Yeah...I am buying my last razor....one at a time! :p
Thanks Jimmy...can see it now....yes, that razor was the Big Kahuna, Celebrated Hollow Ground, For Barbers Use, and is it the pic or does the edge look blued as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
LOL - the one in the pic is an FBU....the one in this pic is a Magnum Bonum, think it's just a marketing gimmic, stands for, great/good, awesome!;). If you look at this pic, you can see the area along the spine with the MB etched, I have another where the etch is gone, which looked like the pic of the razor in question:Quote:
Originally Posted by sharptonn
http://straightrazorpalace.com/membe...onum-wedge.jpg
Dude! Do you really see that? All I see is "Toms' Number One" ! :roflmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Phrank
According to Robert A. Doyle, in "Collecting Straight Razors." they began acid etching around the 1830s-1840s, and they were like a kid with a new toy. Big blades with all sorts of etchings to stimulate sales. Masonic, patriotic. A lot of American inspired etches, since they were shooting for that big USA export market. Presidents, famous people, battles ...... whatever worked.
I've said before I think the reason For Barbers Only is a lot less common than For Barbers Use, is because doing the former, they realized "Only" might hurt sales rather than help, so they changed and went with "Use." That assumes that For Barbers Only is the older marque ........ not sure, just IMHO ....... :shrug:
You can't see it through the patina in the photo, though it is there, but the bottom razor is the one with "The Celebrated Hollow Ground For Barbers Use" etched in the belly of the blade, like the one in the auction. I notice it doesn't have the W-arrow-B on the tang either, but it was etched on the belly. The other FBU and FBO don't have that at all.
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@Phrank,
May I ask, did you hone it yourself? I seem to remember you saying your didn't hone your own. Am I mis-remembering?
I am in awe of the showy bevel.
That Magnum Bonum was honed by SRP member rbaker2778, I purchased it from the Classifieds here, and I will say, he puts an absolutely superb edge on a blade. He possess some serious honing skills.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Siguy
HUH? HUH? did some one say Joseph Elliot? Where? Where?Quote:
Originally Posted by Voidmonster
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Originally Posted by guitstik
Here.
(Remember, you asked.)
