$1500 coticule

So has anyone else seen the $1500 coticule on ebay? He wants cash and local pick up only, oh yea and 1500 for one coticule. I messaged him because I thought for sure it was a typo, and no that's the price. I don't much like a coticule edge, I've tried my own and one on my FBU from glen. They shave but not nearly as sharp as a razor should be IMO. The only reason he claims it is so rare is because it's 12 in long. Any insight would be nice, I just don't see any coticule of any rarity being worth that price, but I could be wrong??

Gooser might know. I think he has enough to pave his driveway with.

Ardenes sell 250mm x60mm for about 360 usd, that extra 2" on the listing is worth ~2 more 250x60 coticules.

Good luck to the seller, lol

There are some JNATS that if sold for that price would be dirt cheap. Some go for thousands.

It's magical. You use it and a genie pops out and grants you forever BBS.

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It's magical. You use it and a genie pops out and grants you forever BBS.

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It must be because it was bought 50 years ago, the earlier it was dug out the better it must be right?

He has been trying to sell that for a long time. I think it was listed a year or two ago for the same incredible price.

I have a link does not work. :hmmm:

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What fun would shaving be then?

It's been there for a long time. An uncle of mine who is a salesman and business owner (of the old brick and mortar type) who is known to run similar shenanigans would say..


.."it just needs the right buyer".

:)

12 inch coticules are really uncommon. Maybe he'll run into a guy who has tens of millions of dollars and just has to have things that aren't common.

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Originally Posted by prodigy

So has anyone else seen the [URL="http://www.ebay.com/itm/22171080030"] I've tried my own and one on my FBU from glen. They shave but not nearly as sharp as a razor should be IMO.

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That's guaranteed to start a war! I've only had one that would bright polish a razor like the more common super finishers. I sold it like a dummy on here not too long ago....not because it wasn't great, but because I have other super finishers.

One of the dumbest things one can do, though, is buy a gigantic stone that is expensive because of rarity in size and then find a cheap stone that's 5 inches long that does a better job finishing.

i saw it a few times ...i wouldnt know what to do with 12" of coti ... lol.. it would ruin all the muscle memory i have developed for the 7" pile i have ...

I got in touch with them at ardennes a few weeks ago about huge cotis and relative value and this was the reply

"350 x 87mm is a very large stone! we are not able to produce them anymore, you can only find them second hand. When (hopefully) in the future our mine is back up and running we will be able to make them. A selected quality 250 x 60mm is sold for 338 euro, a standard 260 euro. If we can produce a 350 x 90mm, we would double the price. "

So basically, if they could make you one, it would be ~$700usd... Then factor in a bbw backing of same dimensions if you want that. Now factor in the fact that you can't order it... It probably is a $1000 stone BUT cotis are a case of huge diminishing returns once you go up in size given ballooning costs. 5x2.5" is perfect in my opinion...

Maybe 5 figures is what I have been told for the really big super desirable ones suitable for sword polishing.

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There are some JNATS that if sold for that price would be dirt cheap. Some go for thousands.

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Maybe 5 figures is what I have been told for the really big super desirable ones suitable for sword polishing.

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Not only for sword polishing, stones suitable for woodworking tools can go up there as well.

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I just don't see any coticule of any rarity being worth that price, but I could be wrong??

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You might ask yourself the same thing about a razor that is only a quarter of an inch wider than 7/8 is suddenly three or four times the price

This was a couple days ago. My question is at the bottom. His reply at the top. I was legitimately curious. I don't know much about natural stones unless I read it on SRP.


"Size / Quality / Age / all natural no man made contents. I've been honing for well known people with this stone for 55 years. Stone looks new. Thx for your interest. U might want to look for a smaller stone. But get a old NATURAL one."
Capt Frank

On 3/26/15, 11:52 PM, 2014shrum wrote:

Details about item: 2014shrum sent a message about Natural Yelloe Coticule Hone #221710800305

"May I ask what makes this different than any other coticule hone? Seems a bit expensive."

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This was a couple days ago. My question is at the bottom. His reply at the top.


"Size / Quality / Age / all natural no man made contents. I've been honing for well known people with this stone for 55 years. Stone looks new. Thx for your interest. U might want to look for a smaller stone. But get a old NATURAL one."
Capt Frank

On 3/26/15, 11:52 PM, 2014shrum wrote:

Details about item: 2014shrum sent a message about Natural Yelloe Coticule Hone #221710800305

"May I ask what makes this different than any other coticule hone? Seems a bit expensive."

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Ask him how old should it be, 500 million years or 500 million and 50 years, must make for a huge difference having in mind that the geological formation of those rock has ended millions of years a go as well (sarcasm).

I only have 3 words for anyone thinking of buying an expensive stone: Full refund Policy.

I'm not going to get into an argument over whether Coticules are or are not worth that kind of money. God knows I've dropped a bundle on Jnats, so I'm in no position to judge what others are prepared to pay for stones.

What I will say, however, is that for the amount of money that is being asked the seller needs to allow the potential buyer to try the stone and return it no questions asked if they are not happy with it. If that's not part of the deal I wouldn't touch it.

James.

Well, that is not the policy on there... The seller is only obligated to deliver exactly what he states he is delivering. Now if a seller said a stone were 15k and it was more like 8 or if a stone were blazing fast in the description and it was slow as hell, those are very real problems and not as advertised. If someone for example put a stamped escher on there described it exactly and delivered it @ say, $700 to the new buyer it is way off base for a buyer to be contacting them saying "This stone is not so much above my hone XXX so I want my money back, refund me and I will send the hone back." That is off base as can be and if you forwarded that to ebay as a seller, it is one instance where a seller would actually win a claim. Now, if someone were local in this instance, since he wants local pickup anyway, one thing I don't think would be off base is requesting to test the hone since it wouldn't impart any wear on it anyway and coticules are notoriously inconsistent in how they behave. But that would also go for those 5 digit jnats. If you are thinking of buying rocks like that, you should just spring for a plane ticket and test stuff first. The earlier point is crazy though as it would be abused every which way. Every time someone took a rock gamble on the bay and failed they would be trying to screw sellers over who don't even make any grandiose claims and rarely give much beyond dimensions most of the time... A lot of this is like any hobby, personal responsibility with funds and spending what you can afford to have locked up for a time if unhappy. I've bought nice rocks for $$$ that I found underwhelming... I sucked it up and just dealt with regaining the liquidity from it... I created the issue with my own actions after all..

I have a good solid BBW Coti. I spent the time to unlock it. Reading- rereading, everything you can imagine. Finally over time and trial and error I found what worked for this stone and my muscle memory.
Now I want a bigger better one.
Like a dog chasing his tail.
I you learn just one, and like they said "They all come from the same mine, Same year created for every last one.
Just because you dug it out whenever does not change its composition.
Remove the variables and focus on the tangible results.
Bigger isnt always better, just look at Americans waist lines, national debt, and increased immigrants.
Stick with the affordable one and unlock it.

1500 defeats the cost effectiveness of straight shaving. Gee, I thought my Naniwa's were "expensive"

Pabster

Here was his reply to my question. Very similar to the previous.

Yes on price. I hone for pretty well known folk for over 50 years. Size n quality is why price is high. I think you'll have a tough time finding a natural cot this size. You r on right trac tho. A natural cot is great. You'll never need pastes n all the other crap. I would suggest you look for QUALITY in smaller size

On 3/25/15, 11:45 AM, kcodoley wrote:

Re: kcodoley has sent a question about item #221710800305, ending on Apr-07-15 18:43:48 PDT - Natural Yelloe Coticule Hone

I am serious about looking for a coticule, but I guess my main reason for contacting you about yours is to see if your price is a typo. Are you really asking $1500?

I have 3 jnats now, and I get edges on each one that blow any coti I've used out of the water. So for $1500 I'll just buy a custom straight, or two hehe.

It's a $900ish usd value imo. It's nice that is is cut rectangular, huge to a level you cannot acquire commercially, and has a thick coti layer, but just going on collectible freak show factor, it is a bit vanilla in appearance. If it were something nuts like an old rock and had the stamp on it and was a nat combo, he could name his price just because.... Or a huge les lat that was cut to rectangle and stable. Or green.... Or covered in crazy manganese inclusions... Or highly blushing..

If you could obviously tell it was a certain vein, it could play in as well. I wouldn't want 12" worth of La Grise at even a quarter of what he is asking... Something glassy and generally slow I can see some allure. Again, cotis are really not a hone to get above a certain size as it is an utter waste given how costs balloon. As far as the seller goes, I'm not going to rag on him. For all we know, his wife is forcing him to sell crap and he is just leaving it on there @1500 for show, or he doesn't really want to move it, or maybe that is just the value he can live with selling it at.... IDK... He's flat out telling you that you can get the experience smaller and cheaper in the communication, if anything it is stand up of him to admit that...

It's like an unbranded thuri gets the job done great for cheap and if you just want the edge, learn the tells and buy that. PPL who buy things like barber's delights in their box with the label for over $1000usd want the performance and they want the provenance for peace of mind and resale, but they are also collectors. I'd argue most ppl who spring for massive cotis are in that boat.