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So I couldn't sleep last night an I jumped on the bay an found a NOS filly for 85$ with 3$ for shipping in the description the seller said that they had several more an that they would be listing them soon thought I'd share the good fortune with all you helpful people. Good luck an happy hunting.
Pics??????
No pics it's hell for me to do anything on this site I have to post thing smiling times before it will post I always get a blank page a 404 error or server is busy screen but I can give you the item # on eBay then you'll know who's selling them an you can see pics. http://www.ebay.com/itm/121764066994
I have one from that era at about that same price, It took a hair popping edge a couple years ago and has retained it since and improved over time with normal stropping. Probably over 50 shaves on it.
Nothing fancy but a nice shaving razor.
~Richard
Yeah I saw it an figured it was a good deal since all the other NOS ones I see are 250$-700$ which is insane to me!! The only thing I don't like about it is I prefer square point, barbers notch, an French points but I figured for that price I couldn't go wrong.
An the seller did email me also to tell me that he had others he was gonna list an if I felt I got a good deal to buy another which I may if he puts one up for sale like the others that I like an it's not assrageously priced.
If it is one of this lot I guess we can expect a few more.
http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...iliymenia.html
I hate to rain on your parade, but just because it's a Filarmonica, it isn't a guarantee of quality. I took a look at the pictures and noticed that the razor has a slight frown near the heal, something I often see on mass produced dovos, especially the ironically named dovo "best quality".Quote:
Originally Posted by KsStraightShaver
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Yes, I saw that, too. May be a trick of the light(ing), but I doubt it. I have always found this primer useful: Straight Razor Magazine: The Straight Razor Magazine's eBay Purchasing Primer
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I did see that an I also assumed it was just the lighting guess I'll know when it's in my hands. Either way though it's fixable so I'm not terribly worried about it.
if it is slightly frowned, contrary to what many may say, you dont HAVE to go honing and breadknifing that thing to make it perfectly straight. i hate a frown but if its not extreme you can shave fine with it in most cases and the edge can be maintained with a narrow hone and the frown corrected over the course of successive honing sessions.Quote:
Originally Posted by KsStraightShaver
would i leave it with a frown? no, i dont like my razors looking sad. im just letting you know you dont need to be anxious about it if there is a mild frown, just correct it over time. on the other hand, if the frown is severe enough to effect the shave/ maneuverability/ happiness with the razor, then by all means! spend 15 minutes and whip it into shape! :)
Yeah I will look at it as Soon as it gets here. I never jump right in to any honing I always assess the razors an decide what the best plan of action is.
Just like recently I was polishing a razor an the wheel grabbed it an I got a slight knick in the blade so after assessing the knick I simply grabbed my 8k naniwa did a few circles then some X-strokes followed by the 12K an soon enough the knick was gone razor was back to smooth as butter an there wasn't a bunch of honing involved or wear to the spine.
Problem with is not about looks but about sharpening. A frown makes honing the middle part of the bevel very difficult.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverloaf
which is why i said " if its not extreme you can shave fine with it in most cases and the edge can be maintained with a narrow hone and the frown corrected over the course of successive honing sessions"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kees
First off thank you silverloaf I completely agree with what you said I never destroy a blade edge (probably not best word choice) just to fix an issue unless there is no other option or it's a junk blade that I'm trying out a new technique on.
Second razor is in hand an it is not NOS as listed it is very very close but someone has sharpened it at least once an I don't mean the factory.
Now as for the frown it is very very very small no where near as pronounced as it looked in the photos. An it's an easy fix whoever sharpened it DID NOT sharpen the heel not sure why only thing I can think is they didn't know how to hone properly or the little bit of excess metal where the tang meets the blade at the spine edge kept changing the angle on the hone so they didn't try as the hone wear is literally only 3/4s of the blade an no more. So all in all a quick fix an a hopefully great shaver.
Thanks everyone for their input an their concerns with the pics always good to k ow that everyone here is looking out for one another.
First off thank you silverloaf I completely agree with what you said I never destroy a blade edge (probably not best word choice) just to fix an issue unless there is no other option or it's a junk blade that I'm trying out a new technique on.
Second razor is in hand an it is not NOS as listed it is very very close but someone has sharpened it at least once an I don't mean the factory.
Now as for the frown it is very very very small no where near as pronounced as it looked in the photos. An it's an easy fix. whoever sharpened it DID NOT sharpen the heel not sure why only thing I can think is they didn't know how to hone properly or the little bit of excess metal where the tang meets the blade at the spine edge kept changing the angle on the hone so they didn't try as the hone wear is literally only 3/4s of the blade an no more. So all in all a quick fix an a hopefully great shaver.
Thanks everyone for their input an their concerns with the pics always good to k ow that everyone here is looking out for one another.
I think you will find that the more expensive ones are in larger sizes. I am not bagging your purchase and I could be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by KsStraightShaver
One does not need a narrow hone to be able to hone any razor. Who started all that narrow hone nonsense?Quote:
Originally Posted by silverloaf
That guy who sells Nortons cut in quarters.
wow people are really reading things into statements that are not there! this is happening a lot lately. "NEED" is a strong word and was never said. my statement came simply from my own observation and use of more narrow hones being held in hand, being easier FOR ME to be able to isolate and correct trouble areas on a blade over successive honings without introducing heavy and uneven wear in certain areas on a blade. especially with a frowning blade i found that true where a standard hone works but often hits the toe and heel only unless you apply more pressure than you would while performing a standard honing. that flexes the edge and results in heavy wear at those areas with a tiny bevel maintained in the middle. ok, that gets it done and in one shot, just not an absolute necessity in my opinion. with a side note being that not everyone has tons of experience honing and is not able to judge consistently how much pressure to use in that circumstance. so my original statement: " if its not extreme you can shave fine with it in most cases and the edge can be maintained with a narrow hone and the frown corrected over the course of successive honing sessions......." ill add: but is a narrow hone necessary? no. hows that? :deadhorse:Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
ebay does have an option for "sell one like this" and ive seen a bunch of razors mislabeled as NOS or other and my assumption is that this function may have been employed. a seller may not really know what they have so they search for what looks like theirs and say "thats it!" next thing you know theres another "NOS" razor at a great price :p not blaming the sellers its hard to know what you have sometimes if youre not already educated in an area.Quote:
Originally Posted by KsStraightShaver
but as to yours i say happy shaving! looking forward to hearing your experience whipping it into shape and mowing down some whiskas
8x3" in hand works just fine to hone anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverloaf
To fix a frown in general one has to hone the toe and the heel till all the bevel is straight and contacts the hone evenly. That is the slow way of doing it, there is a faster way that requires coarse stone and lifting the spine off the hone, then bevel set just like any other razor. There is nothing special about fixing frowns, just a bunch of work on the bevel setter.Quote:
especially with a frowning blade i found that true where a standard hone works but often hits the toe and heel only unless you apply more pressure than you would while performing a standard honing. that flexes the edge and results in heavy wear at those areas with a tiny bevel maintained in the middle.
except the frown is not fixed and the geometry is messed up at the from both the edge and the spine. Narrow hones are a way to dance around a problem and not addressing it. Not to mention that one has to have a separate set of hones to hone frowning razors? Not a dead horse, it is important to realize that newbies are reading those threads and what is being said can impact the learning curve in positive but also negative ways.Quote:
" if its not extreme you can shave fine with it in most cases and the edge can be maintained with a narrow hone and the frown corrected over the course of successive honing sessions......." ill add: but is a narrow hone necessary? no. hows that? :deadhorse:
Food for thought: If this were a Gold Dollar, people would go, "you've been warned". $85 for a mass produced export razor with a defective edge in used state... Well, yes...
stephan- good points, im not trying to contradict anyone but you do seem to be stuck on my statement and cant keep on topic. i apologize if my statement caused the sidetrack, not my intention at all. if you disagree with anyone using a narrow hone then thats your right. i have seen virtues in narrow hones, but in stating what i did i was in no way trying to start such an exhaustive debate, that is not at all what this thread was started as. if you go back and reread what i said you might notice i said "frown corrected over the course of successive honing sessions" which for anyone who knows how to correct a defective edge will understand isolating areas of the blade, as you stated: "To fix a frown in general one has to hone the toe and the heel till all the bevel is straight and contacts the hone evenly." (if tape is used employing this method it may keep newbies from introducing uneven wear to the spine and ending up with ruined geometry in the end as you said) so i feel you are wrong in directing your statement at me that "except the frown is not fixed and the geometry is messed up at the from both the edge and the spine." (again, using tape on the spine keeps the spine plane same and all you correct over time is the heel and toe areas, keeping all in plane) that was the whole point of what i was saying, deal with it over time, sometimes no need to correct it all at once if a frown is not severe. again- my statement was not meant to explain exhaustively how to deal with and correct the frown, that has been handled in many a thread intended for that discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
you may be one who prefers to do it right then and there. i certainly am myself. i said what i did as a caution to newbies and experienced folks alike. i dont like a frown in my blades but i also know avery slight frowning blade that is not severe, can indeed be shave ready and corrected in successive honings with the methods you stated. if someone pushes the idea that is not true i just personally disagree and i dont think it is 100% to the benefit of the straight razor community nor to the life of the razors being bought up by newbies and "corrected" on a daily basis. ive seen many deformed because of what newbies read as law stated by some folks, just not beneficial to be so dogmatic i feel. as an aside, some of my favorite and most useful hones were a vintage coticule, only 1 1/2" wide and a vintage thuri that is 2 1/2" wide (i still consider it a "narrow" hone) but 99.9999999% of the time i use my full grown bench stones at 3" wide and yes i do use them in hand as well as in a holder. smiling blades i often tend to use one side or half of the full grown stones whe doing rolling x strokes and then i turn the stone end for end and use the other side/half. for me i feel like i dont need to lap as often and in essence on full grown stones im using the equivalent of my narrow coticule. on most other blades than a smiling blade i tend to use the whole stone when performing whatever strokes im employing. thats me, not saying my way is superior, best but simply it is my preferred style and shows newbies and more experienced honers that there are more than one way to accomplish something if the fundamentals are in place.
so stephen- i apologize again if i said something that doesnt sit well, my intentions were to be beneficial and i may have missd that mark completely.
and Ks StraightShaver- i apologize for starting the off topic jaunt, not at all my intention
Silverloaf no apology needed I don't think you hijacked the post you gave very good advice, that again I agree with others disagreed an made it about that instead of the razor.
It took all of 10 minutes to fix as it was that slight an I honed only the heel until it evened out an then ran a few X-strokes to make sure the bevel was completely straight.
Now I'd like to go into why I agree. I don't care if you get a cinder block from your yard Or a rock from the river as long as the smile/frown or whatever the problem is, is corrected it's the right way. That's is why we say YMMV because everyone has their own way of doing things an as long as it works for you an it corrects whatever the problem is then good for you job well done. Your mileage varied!
