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Don't know how I feel about these, let alone what it is, but looks like the single bid I put on this won, much to my surprise.:confused:
So - will be interesting to give this a try once it get's honed up, and then it may soon be seen in the SRP Classifieds.:shrug:
NOS Straight Kamisori Razor NEW ZUBORA ずぼら Yasuki Steel
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I have a Yasuki Steel New Asuma it is a nice shaver
I think yours is the same but with the "Azuma" or Zubora in Japanese
Nice score mate
Looks very nice Phrank, all the faces and edges look clearly defined ( I know nothing about these !)
I wonder if this has been reground ?
Here's hoping you keep this thread open and include a shave report when you get it :)
I have a Yasuki Steel Azuma as well. it took a bit to get it properly honed. Seemed to want to get chipped edges. If you slurry, I would suggest a thin slurry using nagura instead of a DMT, unless you have a really smooth/worn one. At least tahts what worked for me.
You may find you enjoy shaving with it enough to keep it. :D
Thank-you Gents, Valery will be honing this one, he's done lots of these. I always thought these were more for head shaving, but I've seen many here so I put a single bid on this one, being that it is NOS - didn't expect to win it.
But I have an open mind, and will give it a try.
Here are some more close ups of the Kamisori:
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Nice one!
I have a good few kamisoris and are all wonderful shavers and I don't doubt your Zubora will be the same.
Yazuki steel is made the same way as Tamahagane but uses modern methods.
I hope you will love it.
Very nice Kamisori, Phrank.
If you advertise in the classifieds, will you have to stamp out the "NEW" and replace with "OLD"? ;)
Well, that's what they were designed to do. I don't know if any subsequent changes appeared after people started shaving their face with it, though. But with the Japanese being suckers for tradition, I doubt it has changed much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phrank
I have one for variety, but I rarely use it. I seem to suck at stropping it, I put one or two good nicks on my strop with it . I use it the traditional way (non-stamp side to face) exclusively, because otherwise, what's the point? A spike point, har.
Nice score! Edges look spot on still with the bevel on the back and all.
I picked up a couple, for variety as well, tend not to reach for them often, due mostly to the shorter length. But a great change of pace.
Look forward to your review once received as well.
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I really like the look of that Kamisori Phrank.. I like the way they did the grind,,, interesting
Interesting.......
It's a good thing you aren't telling us in the open forum you're gonna put something up for sale in the classifieds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phrank
True - that would be a violation of the rules...sorry!:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by thebigspendur
Was more a figure of speech, for stupidly placing a bid on something I wasn't sure I even wanted...:(
It looks like a nice blade! I have almost bid on a number of these, but I don't want a razor that I won't use and I would have to be in the right mood to try somthing that different...
As said, please give us a shaving report!
I normally use western straights, but tried a kamisori once and loved it. It's only due to my lack of knowledge on these is why I never purchased one yet. This one looks good, yasuki steel sounds like a fine choice, so should be a great shaver, fingers crossed, but do tell....
Great looking razor and we are all waiting for the test results, and a picture of the profile from the front to better see the grind.
I have a couple of "Modern" Kamisori (asymmetrical grind, one metal) including a Brian Brown that I plan on leaving to gssixgun in my will....
And when I've used them it has been in the traditional, flat to the face, contortion shave method.
I'm reminded of that quote by Mark Twain:
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way...
What I did learn was how to get to that swirly part of my throat.
All the planning and alternate pass pattern to be able to shave "traditional" showed me how to change my stretching pattern and style (shaving in between the outstretched thumb and forefinger a la the Japanese barbers on you-tube)
And for that I am grateful...
Smooth Shaving
Out of all my spike points I find the Azuma the one I have to be most carefull with for scratching me, I think it is the shorter length that lets if get into the curves of my face easier. Ombined with the razor point they get
They are a great smooth shaver once you get used to them
Sure you will be happy with it
Sorry to be wearing the black hat here but I really don't understand the grind on the omote.
Looks like a large edge bevel with no corresponding ridge bevel. Seems wrong but maybe the honer can give a report on how it will sit on a stone.
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Originally Posted by onimaru55
That is the interesting part :p
I am wondering if it is going to actually going to make the initial set very easy,, or extremely hard
I am tempted to buy one just to see :)
I have a Tosuke that is almost identical to Phranks, and the large bevel doesn't change the geometry, using your kamisori honing video I put an excellent edge to it. (if I can anyone can).Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
And that spike point can bite!
If the 2 planes line up it's fine , of course.
Only being able to go on the pics it looks like the edge bevel is an afterthought :shrug:
Must say the hairline scratches on the 2 sides are well done.
Sure can! I loaned mine to my local barber to have some fun with. He returned it post haste, with grumbles and bandaids on his face. :tameshigiri:Quote:
Originally Posted by markbignosekelly
Could you please post a pic of the blade "head on" so we can see the profile?Quote:
Originally Posted by markbignosekelly
Like onimaru55 I can't get a handle on how the omote works on this...
Thanking you in advance...
Will post a pic tonight. Mine looks like it has that large bevel as do many of the zubora, azuma and tosukes ive seen online but looking at mine head on you cant see any difference in the angle of the grind.
Looking closer at Phranks zubora it does look like a different grind but im thinking its a trick of the light. Could be wrong though... only time will tell.
When it arrives I will post some pics - it's an NOS kamisori, so I'll ask Valery to have a lot at this thread and give his thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by markbignosekelly
He is my Tosuke. Ive tried to capture the large bevel line.Attachment 216831
Here is the end pic.
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The proof will be when Phranks gets his zubora.
Is there a difference between the two types - Zubora vs. Tosuke or just "brand names"?Quote:
Originally Posted by markbignosekelly
They are made from different masters but when you look at some they are so similar I wonder if they use blanks. Im only guessing here so could be way off.
The muted tip gives the illusion of an extra bevel but end on it looks right.Quote:
He is my Tosuke. Ive tried to capture the large bevel line.
I would definitely shave my forehead with it.
Thats my point (ha!) Its not muted. Just a trick of the light.Quote:
Originally Posted by onimaru55
I'm here with new glasses thinking did they get the script right ? :roflmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by markbignosekelly
Had my first shave with this Bruno Custom he made for me, from the Nakago section of a 17th century Japanese sword.
Am thinking now this might serve better as a Kamisori type razor? The Tamahagane steel was unbelievably smooth, as sharp as I've had, and a smooth and very comfortable shave. Was awesome shaving with something this old and with this history. Valery spent considerable time of the stones with this one, he said it was very hard steel, yet seemed to "love the stones" - he used all Japanese naturals for this one.
So, off with the scales and make it a Kamisori, I'm thinking?
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Have you seen Bruno's post in the auctions section? It may be of interest to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phrank
Considering it's origins, a kamisori would certainly work with that blade IMO.
Very nice looking Bruno Blade phrank.. Could scare the whiskers of a face.
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