This is a good example:
Antique Straight Razor CARL MONKHOUSE Ornate Scales - eBay (item 120541265222 end time Mar-16-10 16:54:54 PDT)
The only thing worth anything on this razor is the brass inlay once everything else is discarded.
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This is a good example:
Antique Straight Razor CARL MONKHOUSE Ornate Scales - eBay (item 120541265222 end time Mar-16-10 16:54:54 PDT)
The only thing worth anything on this razor is the brass inlay once everything else is discarded.
There's already four bidders for that POS. Maybe they are planning on taking the scales off and using them with another blade.
The scales don't look that bad to me, frankly, and if you had another one of the same razors with a nice blade and broken scales, this would let you do a complete restore, right?
Anyway, the blade is trash, that's for sure.
looks to me like scale rot, so the scales would in fact be useless.
WOW, that's rotten, but at least this pic shows the condition, I hate when the sellers post those low light angled shots that does not show the edge at all..
I`m glad this thread popped up just after i buy my first ebay razor.
Scale rot, ok. Can you tell that from the hazy look of the scales, or is there something else that I'm not seeing? Thanks, I'm trying to learn too.
Yea, me too. I had no idea those scales were "rotten". What does it mean for the scales to be rotten?Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffE
Yep, looks like cell rot to me also. You can see that if the blade were closed the pitting would be heaviest between the scales.
Goos thread Gugi! :tu :tu I've been thinking of creating a thread similar to the razor clubs but with the intent of posting vintage razors on auctions to stay away from as a learning tool for people new and old to eBay and other online vintage razor auctions/sales. I didn't do so because I am concerned with repercussions to SRP by doing so. I am sure a lot of the sellers use SRP for a tool on what to sell, what's hot and how to word their items, like shave ready. They may even be getting selling prices off the classifieds. I just don't want them causing problems for SRP by pointing out their shortfalls or deceptions tricks. What do you 'guys' think?
Joe,Quote:
Originally Posted by Joed
I think this applies, however not naming the auction, just posting pics as examples of defects will be very educational for people that want to try their hand on eBay. If someone recognizes a pic of their item they have the choice to go on and sell or cancel the listing. After all we care for our own not for someone that wants to make easy dollar. My 2 c.
I like Glen's advise - don't buy on ebay for the first 6 months, but there are always the new guys who think they're too smart and saving $10-$20 bucks is worth the risk.
So I figured I'll post something that anybody with experience wouldn't even look at, but a new guy may give it a serious consideration. I haven't been much on ebay lately, but I've seen more than enough razors like this sell just because somebody thinks the big name alone trumps any condition.
The junk on ebay is way more than the good stuff. I think the best way to educate oneself is to peruse the show&tell posts from experienced people like JoeD.
Ivan, you just don't want anyone to buy them cause you want them all for yourself!
I agree. Sorry to keep asking about this, but I'm still unclear as to what scale rot is. Is it the crazy pitting you see on that blade or is it some damage to the scales, or both?Quote:
Originally Posted by mainaman
It is the crazy pitting you see on the blade.Quote:
Originally Posted by heirkb
There is a chemical reaction that hits celluloid and causes it
to out gas corrosive chemicals that put nasty pits in the
blade. The painful part is that the worst pitting is found
under the scales where the blade is thin and has no steel
to spare. When you sand away the pits the blade gets
lost.
A razor with scale rot stored in a cigar box with good razors will
damage other blades without cell rot.
The implication is that if you own a brand new blade it
can suffer by being placed in a box with one of these old bad apples.
Those that have "lots" of blades should note this well.
No, I've quit already, and on the occasional stuff I may want I have very little competition :)Quote:
Originally Posted by holli4pirating
The reason that everyone feels its scale rot is because scale rot pretty much follows the contour of the scales on the blade, at least in a more noticeable way. As Niftyshaving said, its damage to the blade caused by the scales outgassing some kind of nastiness.Quote:
Originally Posted by heirkb
Excellent education on scale rot -- I see it now. It's all in the pattern of pitting on the blade, correct?
So here's the follow up -- is rotting something that happens to all celluloid with age, or is it limited to some smaller portion of the total population? And if the latter, what portion?
It's just that I've always leaned on the side of keeping the original, celluloid scales on a razor rather than replacing them with more modern plastic, but am I actually playing Russian roulette with my razors by doing so? If celluloid rot is relatively common or happens to all celluloid with age, then it would seem like I am.
It doesn't seem to happen to all plastics as they age. I'm no chemist so I can't say as to what the difference is (poor formula, poor manufacturing, bad raw materials). It seems that bad plastic is more prevalent than I had originally thought though.
I've seen this on electric guitars, even as "old" as the early 1970's. The phenomenon is obviously more visible in "Closet Classics", where the instrument has been sealed in its case for many years and the corrosive gases have nowhere to escape to. It shows up as unusually heavy oxidation on metal parts, such as pickup springs. Otherwise the damage is harder to detect until the plastic itself begins to shrivel and crack. Sometimes there's even a hazy/oily residue left on the surface of the plastic and the tell tale chemical stink of the gas itself.
Most vintage guitar repairmen would tell you the same fix. Swap the part out and either trash it or store it somewhere else (far away) for posterity. You're actually killing the collectors value of the instrument if you allow the corrosion to continue.
There have been some very "good" discussions about cell rot throughout the forum Search Neil Miller's threads/posts he is one of the most educated guys I know on the subject....
That is the first part of my advice :) the second half of the sentence says "Or until you do not have to ask anyone, if the razor is collectible or ya got a good deal"Quote:
Originally Posted by gugi
Honestly the funniest threads I see on here are the ones that start with " I just bought this/these razors did I do ok" ??????
Because you either got royally screwed, or you stumbled with shear blind luck into a great razor and now we all hate you :):):)
I just get my link to the "Do Not Buy" list ready when I see that (surprisingly common) thread title. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
I always enjoy the ones that say "I accidentally bought this razor..."Quote:
Originally Posted by gssixgun
Why would you bid on it if you don't plan to buy it?
Ebay is a place for many people to discard their unwanted junk! Watch out guys & gals!!!!! Don't get me wrong, there are some deals to be made but not as many as you think. You REALLY have to look at the pics very closely & READ the item description a couple times but make sure you know you really have a good one to bid on & that's not even a promise you have something worth bidding on. YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ON THERE OR YOU WILL REGRET EVER MAKING THAT BID!!!!!!