An eBay auction for a Henckels "Friodur."
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J.A. Henckels FRIODUR straight razor - EXCELLENT!!! - eBay (item 170493742299 end time Jun-06-10 19:00:28 PDT)
eBay Item #: 170493742299
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An eBay auction for a Henckels "Friodur."
:)
J.A. Henckels FRIODUR straight razor - EXCELLENT!!! - eBay (item 170493742299 end time Jun-06-10 19:00:28 PDT)
eBay Item #: 170493742299
I couldn't understand?
is anything wrong with it?
i checked couldn't find anything wrong?
I am not sure it is a Friodur. It doesn't have the Friodur tang stamp and does not say Inox on it at all. I just posted this to see what others think. If it is a Friodur, then I would be really surprised.
interesting. do friodurs always have friodur marked on the blade as well as the scales?
I honestly cannot say that I know for sure. But, I would think that would be a major selling point of the razor if it was a Friodur. I have never seen a Friodur without the Friodur logo on the tang. I would think it should at least say INOX on it somewhere. Looking forward to all of the replies. I have asked the seller about this. I'll post the seller's response once I receive it.
Sorry for teh naive/ignorant question. But did Friodur make 5/8?? From what I have seen there's mostly 8/8 and some 7/8...But, I may, and probably am, wrong :).
Henckels made Friodurs from 3/8's to 8/8's from what I have seen. I personally own a 1/2 hollow 5/8's Friodur. It has the Friodur logo on the tang and says Inox, just like all of the other Friodurs I have seen.
Some will have on the scales and shank but others won't
Always it will have on the shank.
I don't think anything wrong with this blade. it looks like original to me.
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Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl
But this blade doesn't have on the shank...Quote:
Originally Posted by hi_bud_gl
Neither does one of my old Friodurs....
Without a metallurgical test I doubt you will ever be 100% positive...
No matter what the old books say, we have all seen factory mis-stamps/wrong scaled razors out there....
Bid accordingly and be happy if it shaves well, which most of the older Twins razors do..
The seller replied to me. He actually just realized that the stamp wasn't marked Friodur as well. He said that the pins looked original and the razor came to him in that condition. He said that he would post the razor on one of the forums and get back to me. The seller seems like a good guy, but I would hold the bidding until we know more.
If this is a Friodur, then I would think it is a rare one, and I wouldn't change the scales at all if you have the slightest inkling of selling it.
...and I'm that lone bidder on it (so far). :)
Hey, the razor looks good whatever it may be :). Twins or Friodur, I think it is nice either way. Personally, I just want the scales so that I can have the inlay that is missing from mine. :)
If you want inlays, there's a few on the Bay or online (I forget exactly where) that were selling for cheap that you could get.
I, personally, am in the market for a Friodur...I heard they shave like a dream and I've been eying one that John Crowley is selling (7/8 with scalloped back)
-Robert
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Originally Posted by altshaver
@BladeRunner001
If you don't mind, PM me some links :).
As far as the larger Friodurs go, I think the Crowley ones might be your best bet. As far as I know, these larger Friodurs come from old Factory blanks. The ones that Crowley sells I believe are ground by Wacker. Who knows who does the grinds on the ones sold on eBay? From what I have read, the larger Friodurs can be a crap-shoot, which is why I think the Crowley ones are a better bet.
I definitely recommend you do some research before buying.
This is how rumors get really rolling,,,Quote:
Originally Posted by altshaver
I am not so sure of the validity of who ground what razors,,
I am sure that John is a respected vendor, and can hone a nice edge, and makes sure the heels are not hanging out the bottom of his scales,,, Those things, we are sure about, but who did the grinding on what razor, and if there were any differences, we are not so clear on...
Thanks
Sorry Glen,
I was not trying to start any rumors. Everyone should definitely do their research before buying. I have read a lot about the inconsistencies of the larger Friodurs.
Thanks for the reply.
I think there is a misunderstanding here. Friodur is the name of the steel, not a brand name. The steel is high in chrome, and "ice hardened" (eisgehärtet), because it would be too soft otherwise.
YouTube - J.A. Henckels Friodur Process for Knives
No problem Alt
I have heard the rumor that Wacker did all the grinding on all of them but as I said, I am not positive either way..
@BeBerlin
Thanks for the video. I was under the impression that Friodur was a trademark and brand. The video also calls Friodur a brand name. I would think that if it wasn't a trademark, then other companies would try to capitalize on the name to sell razors.
I definitely could be misunderstanding the situation though.
This razor is definitely a curiosity for me.
I am the owner and have the listing on ebay. I never questioned the authenticity of the razor. All I know is that the scales say Friodur and the pins are original so there has been no substitution. I do have another Friodur (8/8) and I went to my case to check it out and it does say Friodur on the tang. So I really don't know if a Friodur has to say it on the blade to be an authentic Friodur. I welcome any and all help with this one.
Steve
Hi Altshaver
No problem...I need to remember where I saw them. I recently got an "empty" scale with the twin and Friodur inlay on it from John (Mike) Harsha to a reply to one of WTB posts. I wanted it for a rescale I plan to have Max do for me using the inlays and a black micarta scale (using the 7/8 Friodur I will buy from John Crowley). Once done, I think it'll be a work of art :).
I do remember seeing others...I just don't remember where. once my memory gets jogging and remember, I'll PM you a few links. I guess I will have to use my brain cells now.
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Originally Posted by altshaver
I can easily see how an unscrupulous individual might try to pass something off without doing the homework.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zomax
Bravo for coming here and manning up. IMO it shows a great deal of integrity.
Has anyone ever seen a Friodur with that generic gold "Solingen" etch on the blade? For what it's worth, I have not.
LG Roy
The goldwash is another oddity about this razor. The only Friodur that I have seen that had goldwash was Henckels' 250th anniversary Friodur model. Actually, one of the things that I like about Henckels razors is that they usually go easy on the goldwash.
That said, I have no doubts that this is a Henckels branded razor. I am not sure that it is a Friodur. If it is, it is an oddity.
If I didn't know another member was bidding on it, I would be tempted to bid on it so that I could use the scales on my Friodur, and rescale and use the blade. I bet it is a great shaver, and it looks like it is in good shape as well.
It is very cool that the seller has come out to get some information and opinions on this razor - very classy.
To Zomax:
How did you acquire this razor? Thanks for posting.
For those that have never seen one before :):):)
http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...r-11-16-a.html
I would like to correct myself on the Henckels goldwash comment. I have seen another Henckels Friodur with goldwash. Here is a link:
J.A.Henckels Friodur Twinworks Razor (NOS) + Case XX Canoe LE 1/2500 - JerzeeDevil Forums
Here is a link to some pictures of the Henckels 250th anniversary razor:
Henckels 250th Anniversary Razor - Badger & Blade
@Glen
Thanks for the link Glen. I remembered reading that review, but I didn't notice the tang stamp the last time I read that review. Is there a way to tell by eye if the razor is made from High Carbon Steel or 440C Stainless Steel? I very much respect your opinions on razors and shaving in general, but I have to ask - are you absolutely sure your razor is a Friodur? Also, does your razor have the Zwillingswerk stamp on the other side of the tang? I noticed that Zomax's razor did not. If your razor and his razor both don't have the stamp on the back, then I would be feeling more confident about the razor. Thanks in advance!
Couple of things
In my professional opinion from being very, very, very, good at changing pins and making them look factory, I would say the pins on mine have never been touched...
Mine has no stamp at all on the back
Two things lead me to think it is SS steel
My experience on the hones, and
There is not one speck nor mark not even a water stain on the razor not even in the tang area, nor was there when I got it...
Am I 100 % sure ???? NOPE :)
But think about most of the razors in your collection how many of those are you 100% positive about hehehehe
So many mysteries out there in Razorland..