Bartmann vs FILARMONICA #13 advice.

Greetings all...
1st up thanks for the advice on TI's mass cleaning to removing oxidation. Worked like a charm.

now question at hand.
1) I've seen these on ebay. And sellers put a price of 600 usd on them. What would be an ideal price for these? Coming from a 3rd person who has dealt in buyin and using these razors. I did some scooping around and 350-400 range is what these razors fall under?

Both razors are 7/8 and 13/16 respectively. I do not know much about FILARMONICA #13 but what i've seen is they are super rare and 13-14 are most sought after.

Need advice on extending an offer to prospect seller.
Thanks
Nico.

I think you are a bit wrong about the rarity of Filarmonica DT? #13. This razor is basically constantly available on ebay.
It is a good razor. What that is worth, is for you to decide.
The most coveted Filarmonica's are the Sub-sero, Novodur and Especial para barbas duras. The medallon Taurino is also lesser in availability that the Doble temple.
When it comes to size, the #14 has a higher average price by far.


Good luck hunting.

hi thanks for update... so #14 is a lot better find. I will keep it in mind. I do not know much about either of the razors in question. So thanks for filling me up.
the razor in question is a #13 Novodur. Well the price offered by the seller has not moved below 500. With rareity in question; I'm not sure it if worth 500.
For that much bengies I can get a custom razor or a fancy scale TI or Dovo and still have money for week's worth of food =) ...

When it comes to what you pay for a razor, it's definitely a case of YMMV. The difference between #13 and #14 is size. A #13 is usually around 6/8-13/16 and a #14 is usually around 7/8-8/8. I got my NOS #13 Doble Temple not that long ago for less than $150. The only Filarmonica I'd consider paying anywhere near $500 for would be a NOS EPBD #14.

For $500 you could always buy 7 brand new Dovo Best Qualiy 5/8.:)

Thank you againg for all the feedbacks and updates. Esp on FMonica.
My present ventures:-
I've the professional horned stainless steel dovo. 295 one with dark wood and a second one with mammoth tusk.. and a few TI's mostly the LE's ram horn, and one with lot of work on spine for 400 beans.
But now am starting to venture into the smaller makers... hence my post for a 9/8 SR pre Civil War question about the maker.
The more I hear from you guys the lesser I want to spend on gettin the guy's razor. I will just have to look out for a #14. Have to agree recently tried 6/8 and 9/8 and like 'em a lil better than 5/8. Again personal choice; and holding a 5/8 feels much lighter there of.
TY...again.

FILARMONICA BARBAS DURAS 14 straight razor 20584201 for sale - www.C2Coffer.com
did some snooping around and found this guys.... seems a little un real... info advice... if it is...save 1 for me plz :)

Seems incredibly sketchy to me.....quick google search pops up all sorts of scammer/fraud links.

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Originally Posted by darkraijin

FILARMONICA BARBAS DURAS 14 straight razor 20584201 for sale - www.C2Coffer.com
did some snooping around and found this guys.... seems a little un real... info advice... if it is...save 1 for me plz :)

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Lol. The same seller has a Valet Autostrop for $98.

Personally I don't think the Fillys are rare at all ,there on the bay all the time at extraordinary prices,however I did buy a nicely decorated Bartmann for about 50-75 bucks,I don't remember what my highest bid was,and I bid on it because I'm a Simpson's fan,so I was really surprised when I found out that it was a well respected brand and that I got a great deal because of the decorations. once I honed her up and stropped it it shaved like a champ,I mean as good as any I have,BUT I don't think I would pay $600 to replace it were something to happen to it,and I really cant imagine a Fhilly being that much better as to deserve such outrageous prices IMHO,I cant see it

so i contacted the seller and this is what he/she had to say

http://www.c2coffer.com/images/no_userpicture.gif
Question May 15, 2011 03:14 AM
is this the real razor...or a replica. Please advice. seller
http://www.c2coffer.com/data/pic/201...4159099309.jpg
Respond May 15, 2011 09:31 AM
dear. thank you for you letter. this item is a real razor. it`s not a replica.. thank you.:::: seller is in China. I perhaps need not say more =/

I would be willing to pay 500+ for a SR if the scales were really exotic material. Or the SR was a custom. for a Novodo 13; after hearing all and seller not coming down below 500. I dropped the idea. And have moved on to perhaps gettin a custom razor sometime in next 6-8 months.
FMonica's scales are plastic. I'm takin the razor shaves expectional for it to be priced at 500-600 range. Well I've few to mess around with. Till I can find one that fits my budget..i will just wait.
Thank you all for all nice suggestions and expriences you all have shared. ^_^

I looked at the site that you found them on-definately fake,theres just no way these are real AND she has two of them!!

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Originally Posted by Grizzley1

I looked at the site that you found them on-definately fake,theres just no way these are real AND she has two of them!!

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The bad thing is, I checked the site last night and they had six of them.

I've checked out the picture on that website.
I think what you see in the picture are the real deal, that thing looks precisely like my EPBD's.

However, at that price, I find it hard to believe that the depicted one is what will arrive in your mailbox should you purchase it.

But who knows, that would be the deal of the week, should they turn out to be genuine:)

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Originally Posted by Birnando

I've checked out the picture on that website.
I think what you see in the picture are the real deal, that thing looks precisely like my EPBD's.

However, at that price, I find it hard to believe that the depicted one is what will arrive in your mailbox should you purchase it.

But who knows, that would be the deal of the week, should they turn out to be genuine:)

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I was born at night......but not LAST NIGHT........

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Originally Posted by Theseus

The bad thing is, I checked the site last night and they had six of them.

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Theres a sucker born every minute. If you go to this site you will see that she has another listing with another picture where she has sold five already for 50 bucks each,and she has only 50 of these very rare razors left.....better hurry LMAO

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Originally Posted by Birnando

The most coveted Filarmonica's are the Sub-sero, Novodur and Especial para barbas duras. The medallon Taurino is also lesser in availability that the Doble temple.
When it comes to size, the #14 has a higher average price by far.

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This Filarmonica 14 Novodor just ended on eBay.fr and went for 705 EUR (just under $US 1k)

Link removed due to member of SRP taking the picture and selling razor and then the French buyer/reseller using the pictures in his auction without permission of SRP member.

Seller said it was NOS. Pretty razor but wow, what a price... It was interesting watching it go jumping from 283 EUR to 705 EUR in the last minute.

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Originally Posted by darkraijin

Greetings all...
1st up thanks for the advice on TI's mass cleaning to removing oxidation. Worked like a charm.

now question at hand.
1) I've seen these on ebay. And sellers put a price of 600 usd on them. What would be an ideal price for these? Coming from a 3rd person who has dealt in buyin and using these razors. I did some scooping around and 350-400 range is what these razors fall under?

Both razors are 7/8 and 13/16 respectively. I do not know much about FILARMONICA #13 but what i've seen is they are super rare and 13-14 are most sought after.

Need advice on extending an offer to prospect seller.
Thanks
Nico.

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One of the rules here is that we try to avoid appraisals and valuations.

There are web sites that track auction valuations.

Do learn to use web search engines.
Google quickly found this posting on this forum:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/razor...tml#post268037

well all i can say is thanks to all for guiding me in the right direction with FM razors. and I had a bad exp. with a chinese seller who sold me a AnF jeans for 15 usd but was a total fake. But that is goin off subject.

I'm sure chinese were also not born Last Nite. so sell an asset at such under value. Unfortunately her pretty pix is in wrong site; had it been a datin site many of us mite be msgin her. But again I'll leave it strictly at SR discussion.

Surprised this thread didn't get parked. I'm just coming to it now myself. As has been said we avoid talk on value/appraisal here on SRP. Since the cow is so far out of the barn I will leave this thread going so that any credulous member will have a heads up on the Chinese site before making a foolish purchase. No more posts specifically citing value though please.

Filarmonicas are good shavers and used to be available at affordable prices. Like some models of duble duck they have become collector's items and are sought after above and beyond their shaving characteristics. To the OP, since you seem to be relatively new to this I would ease up a bit and do some due diligence before you shell out a lot of $ for collectibles when there are great shavers to be had equal to the high dollar Fillys but not as sought after. Unless of course you want to collect Fillys .... then it is a matter of the spirit being willing and the bank account strong.

hehe see new guy n got in trouble with Mods =D ; cant be helped my nature. Gettin in trouble with authority. Wont happen again. I just did not want to get ripped off on a FM that was 'not a collectors'. If you like mod u can park this. its way past overdue and unless u want to leave it open for discussion or move it over.

You know its funny, if you look at her responce shes not lying-its a razor and thats all shes saying,its being misrepresented,but thats implyed.
One other thing those with Fillys-are they really the best thing you ever put to your face? What is the facination with these things?

^_^ well good thing chinese girls broke my heart and not my wallet. I learned that with a waste of 35 usd for fake pair of jeans. FMonica's will just have to take a number and wait in my quee of to dos. Well about them being best thing to put on face...maybe a owner of FM can tell you that.
From my exp. of dovo's and TI's ::: they are both great shaves. Thats all I can tell ya. Stainless steel for me does give a little bit better shave than C135's. And you dont have to use mass/fritz and oil to store SS's.
Ofcouse all the exotic scales are nice to look at. And lets not forget the time taken good 15-20 mins to shave with SR compared to a 5razor proglide at 4-5mins max. I do 2 runs and a oil rub. Hence 15-20 mins.