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Appearances are deceptive. Picture inside box cover looks like that of an Escher. But the name Escher is nowhere to be found. The stone inside looks most like a coticule.
The outside of the box cover has the give away: Excelsior, Fienster Kuenstlicher Abziehstein, i.e. Excelsior, finest synthetic hone.
Take a good look:
SCARCE ESCHER EXCELSIOR COMBINATION STRAIGHT RAZOR HONE IN BOX | eBay
Attachment 94891I did see that and marveled that people are bidding that much on a coticule in a box with a label. A week or two ago an 'escher' sold for big $ and the label didn't have the signature. It had the barber shop picture but not the signature. Some of the labels warn not to buy the stone if it doesn't have that signature. Whether it is still an escher without the sig is unknown to me. I'm not referring to "Celebrated" hones with the blue label and "E&Co". Those are known to be Eschers, but the stones with the labels that look like the barber shop scene but don't have the sig. Note the text on the left side of the label of the pictured escher.
Coticule in escher box thats all.
:rofl2: that was the 3rd time I have looked at that stone in the past 2 days I had 2 PM's asking about it...
The good news is at least some of the new guys are smart enough to ask first :tu
Well I wasn't bidding, but....It did have me fooled. I thought it was a coticule. So according to the box it's a ceramic barber hone. Yikes! I hope those bidding want it just as a rarity then. Did anybody see the American Hone water hone that ended yesterday? I was supremely curious about that stone as well. Not 165 dollars curious...but still very curious.
There will be tears.
I asked the seller a few days ago what made him think that hone was an Escher since no where was the word "Escher" evident and I haven't received a reply.
Seems kinda straight forward to me.
Its a Belgian yellow.
Now I'm wondering how many people are reading Kees' post before commenting.
Pretty cool find, very deceptive ad. Id gladly pay that for a coticule in a cool original box like that though!
The box says Kuenslichter Abziehstein which means it isn't even a coticule but an artificial stone. If the stone of the listing is a coticule it is not the stone originally sold in that box.
No Sig on the label,no label on the stone,just one fantastic finisher:)
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b3...one/escher.jpg
Ok, Mr fixed, now you're just gloating... :beer1:
It's likely that the company purposely made their synthetic stone look like a coticule and made their label look like an Escher so as to capitalize on buyers that didn't know any better. The funny thing is that 100 years later, it seems to have worked.
i haven't been on the bay for about a month, but anyone think that the buyer just wanted the label? for reuse to "establish provenance" on a "thuringian"? sounds like a decent. i don't look very closely, but the label looks legit at first glance...
I was willing to make a case for simple seller ignorance in this case, but a look at seller feedback shows a lot of stone and razor activity. They have sold both cotis and apparent Eschers in the near past. Seems like a decent coticule but pricey at this point (now $177). I never buy anything on eBay that I'm not familiar with or willing to take a little gamble on. Caveat emptor.
It's not a Coticule guys, it's synthetic. The seller knows it's synthetic and put it in the description "Escher made combination straight razor hone". Also in his first answer it says "This hone is not a Coticule hone". The seller thinks it's an Escher label because the barber scene has an uncanny resemblance to the barber scene from an Escher label. The barber scene is the same except that every character and item is made to look slightly different.
So I agree with HSNB and I think the seller just mistook the barber scene as an Escher trademark.
If you look closely at the label,to me it looks like a modern,purposley aged repro,just sayin.
No sig on label but clearly marked Escher & co the OP stone has no such markings!Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelfixed
Tell you something about that stone/label. The same seller, dpcollect, whose first name is Thomas, sold a NOS one just like yours to Blaireau (SRP member & stone collector) It was a gelbgrun and had the same label and box. It didn't have the end label but it did have the escher ink stamps, including 'gelbgrun' on the honing surface. Of course once you lap them they are gone. So if you got that stone from Rich (Blaireau) it is said to be an old one, and may be from before they started the signature warning. As far as he seller, he is in Germany and is always coming up with eschers and thuringans.Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelfixed
Very helpfull,Thx Jim,looked Blaireau up,he posted the stone,The demensions of mine are the exact same,may not mean anything tho,did not get this stone from him but from another well respected member.
The word Gelbgrun/yellow green,I can see green in my stone without question,the yellow escapes me tho,is it obvious?
Thx
No not really. Having had quite a few come through my hands I would say that all of them look different shades of gray ...... with the exception of the dark blue. That looks dark blue IME. Even with the DB there are nuances and shades between stones. The y/g , IME, when wet has a slight yellow hue.Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelfixed
This is a Coticule stone:
http://straightrazorpalace.com/advan...-goticule.html
Funny thing is at the bottom of the auction on the first questions the seller claims that he is currently writting a book about stone from
the Thuringen area especially Eschers :dropjaw:
Hello gents, by any chance this stone was bought by a SRP member? If so please post your toughts about the stone if you receive it.
Like Kees an others have said, it is a synthetic - not even a real coticule. If you enlarge the picture you can see that it was produced in a mould - one layer (blue, probably) being oured first and allowed to firm-up, at which point it has pulled away from the sides/corners a little, then the yellow layer poured, hence the sharp but undulating line and step in the corner between the two:
Attachment 97546
Regards,
Neil
