Latest update:lather problems seem solved, thnx to the many tutorials and the buying of a bowl (cleans easier, used a hand and cheek for reference) I now have an infinite realm of possibilities to experiment in.

A basic succes line for face lathering seems to be loading up for roughly 30 (or more) seconds with a wet brush and spread on face, drip adding water until ready.

For bowl lathering its easiest to use a damp brush (not wet) load it aaggressively for 30 (or more seconds and spread in a bowl, again drip adding water and clopping it like an egg.

Thnx to everyone for the help, now I can finally start on my lathering journey ^^/