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Hi community
Hi all, I'm Tim from Duluth.
I'm working on a shaving brush and was wondering what you guys who make shaving brushes use to glue the badger hair knot into the metal cup (if you use the cups). The fit seems really loose and I'm not sure what would work best to fill the cup and glue the knot into place and it seems like I'm gonna want to dye the glue too because it sure is going to show.
So, what do you all use? I just got some industrial type glue that is supposed to be really good that is called E6000. Anyone ever use it? It seems like some really strong glue on what I've used it for so far. I got it from Hobby Lobby and it was recommended to me by another vendor who makes stuff with metal and glass and she said that stuff really holds well. I have not tried dying it yet, but I think it would work.
Thanks
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Welcome to the forum Tim. In the Brush forum there is a sub forum called The Brushmakers Alcove which has lots of info.
https://sharprazorpalace.com/brushmakers-alcove/
I am sure one of the members with more experience will be along with some answers for you. All I can say is that for the very few knots I have installed I have used a 2 part epoxy glue for the job.
If you can post photos of the handle and the knot you want to install that might help too.
Bob
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Welcome to the forum. I'm up in Suwanee about 10min from Duluth.
I know one member uses GOOP. I would think any water resistant epoxy should do the job, but I haven't done any brush work.
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Welcome Tim
I have used Marine Epoxy. It fills any voids. Is waterproof and super strong. Sets quickly and cures overnight.
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Glad ta have ya, Tim. Sounds like you've got the wrong diameter knot, for the handle. You may be able to sleeve it in some way, but as said, check in the brush makers alcove. If ya don't find your answer there, then post your question there, someone will be glad to help.
A, yeah...pics will help a great deal.!
One of the guys might even trade ya knots, so you have the right size. Were here ta help.
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I use Marine Epoxy also. Are you sure you have a large enough knot? I've only replaced three knots but the knots I used have been large enough to not leave room for exposed epoxy.
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Hi Tim and welcome to SRP.
I have used Marine Epoxy in the past. It's super strong.
The problem is if you ever want to remove the knot. It's so strong that it makes it nearly impossible. I have broken a couple of brush handles using this.
I have since switched to Goop. It holds the knot in place and releases it with no problem when the time comes.
Enjoy your time here on the forum and have fun.
Pete <:-}
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Hi Tim. Welcome to the forum. I think the answer has been covered fairly well above.
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Welcome, Tim. That glue is like Goop. I use it on all my brushes. Works fine.
Post your brush/knot down in the Brushes subforum or in the brushmaker's alcove below.
Some measurements will be beneficial to help you get it set properly.
Depth of the hole is as important as diameter!
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I've only set one knot so there is that. But on the up side I used the E6000 that you mentioned and so far that would be my choice for another knot.
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The few I have set marine epoxy worked nicely.
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Marine epoxy for me too. Think ive done about 6 knots. Glad to have ya in the group, Tim. Remember that the depth you set the knot in the hole can change how well a knot works and feels. Post up some pics. IMO if you have a knot that is 26mm dia. I would set the loft at 48 to 50mm. But this is something that is best if you can test it before glueing. This is why a somewhat tight fit is best.
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I think the general advice is to have a hole diameter about 1mm to 2mm larger than the knot diameter. The knot size/diameter is measured at the base of the glue plug/bottom of the knot.
Bob
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I do not use the metal cups - are you using the shave brushes https://www.mistershaver.com/best-shaving-brush/ from PSI to fit into those cups? Funny that they wouldn't just fit perfect.... I buy my shave brushes from Berea Hardwoods - not sure if the quality is the same as the nicer ones that PSI offers, but they are a hell of a lot cheaper and I have been using one for quite some time - not very may bristles fall out (some just because they aren't ALL glued solid into the epoxy plug or they break at some point - this is to be expected.)
I drilled a 3/4" hole into the handle and then sand the heck out of the inside of the hole by hand because the plug is just a little too larger to fit just right - once I dry fit the plug (and you want the bristles to be set in ever so slightly into the hole - I think it looks best this way) - I start to turn the handle.
This works well for me.... no back to your question regarding the cup and glue.... man - that's real odd that it is so loose that you would have enough glue showing you would need to dye it.... regarding the E6000 - my mom and a friend of hers use that stuff to make "yard art" out of recycled glass pieces....the stuff sits in the sun ALL SUMMER and the heat and sun do not mess the glue up at all - it is STRONG stuff!
I just epoxy the plug into the handle.
Good luck - can't wait to see pictures!
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I had to reset the knot in a brush that came apart. I used Original Gorilla Glue. It is a water activated polyurethane that bonds nearly anything and is waterproof. Since it is water activated, you do not have to worry about the parts being dry before bonding; in fact, you moisten the items being bonded to activate the adhesive. That is a lot simpler than using a two part epoxy.