So I have the 4k 8k norton stone. I thought I set the bevel good with another coarser stone. Then I moved on the and have tried all sorts of stuff such as pyramid honing and doing lots of passes very delicately then stropping and trying to shave, but it is still not sharp and it cuts my face and pulls my hair. From everyone else I've heard with this stone they can pretty much be eating a bag of chips and get a sharper edge than me. So it's like what the hell! I'm wondering since I've pretty much tried every type of combination on the 4k and then 8k, should I go try to reset the bevel on say a 1k and then start all over again because it doesn't seem like to much is happening at the moment. Any advice much appreciated. Thanks