I've now reached day 20 using a srt8 and have gotten to the place where nicks are becoming few and far between. This morning though a light went off when on the first pass a could feel more whiskers coming off. Amazing just what a slight difference in angle can accomplish. That was the best first pass yet so, I slowed down on pass #2 toying with the angle there and jackpot! What a feeling (I understand BBS now). Also I had a little less trouble with the neck area still right around the windpipe needs some work but it's coming along. Thanks for the advice and thanks for the wiki It's working.