wow thanks guys for your warm responses, I have kinda been lurking for a while and waited until i had a razor until i posted, I got the one i have as a cheep razor that it wouldn't matter if i stuffed it up, but it seems that i have aimed a little high and gotten something to good to mess around with bah.

Is a good excuse to get another one, perhaps less good However getting it past the boss might be a challenge, for those just reading this thread i double posed and they merged the 2 together so the thread might look a little funny, I have sent a PM to Onimaru55 asking about getting it honed, but does anyone have any advice on how to treat the spots on it ? thanks heaps again for all your help this site is a wealth of information