Why sould i glue those Pure badgers ?

A friend of mine gave me 2 pure badger knots
Base knot 24mm and Loft at 67mm,he get them from PC Woodcrafts and Pens.
If you remember my previous "how i test my knots" you can understand better the procedure:

Here they are out of the box:

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I wash them,let them dry,i load a soap and i made palm lather
I rinse them,let the dry,here how they look like:

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I took each one as is dry and made some swirling movements in my palm
No hard push just simple moves as i do in my face lather
It's not a torture,few times left to right and right to left as a normal shaving,here the results:

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For me that's a knot failure,no good backbone,not adequate for a proper shaving with swirling movements,just painting that i don't like it !


In comparison with a Frank Shaving pure badger knot,24mmm knot base glued few mm inside the handle.
Here they are before the test,both of 3 of them:

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Here they are after the test,take a look the FS's,almost as it was,stiff and ready for more action
The PC WP's they just collapsed !

http://up.picr.de/18116948wk.jpg

How can i make the decision to glue those knots ?
Would any of you take the risk and glue those knots ?
Tell me your opinion.

Wow! It looks like the hairs are becoming knotted in the center. Ran into this with my horse hair knot too. Maybe they don't use enough hair to support the others.
Although I will point out that typically I believe most brush manufactures will tell you not to lather your face in circles, but to paint the lather on your face.(seems silly to me, because you load the brush that way using circles)
I wonder if you would weigh them What the difference would be? I'm just curious if one brand is over/under stuffed

Wow those look bad. That's one reason why I stick with TGN knots. The quality is always there. Hopefully these didn't cost you much.

You could always use them for sweeping beard clippings into the sink. I have an old Boar brush that's shot, when I trim my beard I use it to sweep the clippings back into the sink when I'm done. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by HARRYWALLY

Wow those look bad. That's one reason why I stick with TGN knots. The quality is always there. Hopefully these didn't cost you much.

You could always use them for sweeping beard clippings into the sink. I have an old Boar brush that's shot, when I trim my beard I use it to sweep the clippings back into the sink when I'm done. :shrug:

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Shouldn't you be sweeping away lathe dust & wood chips with that brush? lol

Hey, that works too!

Here is an example of what I consider the ultimate test.
8 yrs ago I made myself a 7 day set of brushes,all the same Knots (TGN,24mm Grade As)all the same loft (48mm as I face lather)all the same handle style.Up until I retired 2 yrs ago,I shaved 7 days a week so they have seen many lathering cycles.
I have never cleaned a shaving brush,Rinse,Shake,towel dry, hang overnight.
These brushes do not shed,you may get a hair now and than,the tips do not curl or get deformed.
They are yellowed as all I use are tallow based soaps (has zero effect on anything)
I do not understand these testing proceedures but to each his own,but I do know what works.I also Know, you buy cheap, you get cheap.
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Originally Posted by pixelfixed

I also Know, you buy cheap, you get cheap.

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15 $ each knot is cheap for you ?
Take a look at the FS knot in the last 2 photos,cost 6.5 $ but works great
His black badgers also work perfect for me,they are cheap too.
According to you how much money my friend could give for a pure badger knot ? 20-30 $ ?

Bill, those knots look really good for being 8yrs old. No doubt having a 7 day set has helped preserve them. Nice none the less...
I have a TGN that has seen daily use for 1 yr. until I made more brushes for myself, it's 4 yrs old now & the center of that brush appears as Doryferon pic's, I face lather also

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Originally Posted by Doryferon

15 $ each knot is cheap for you ?
Take a look at the FS knot in the last 2 photos,cost 6.5 $ but works great
His black badgers also work perfect for me,they are cheap too.
According to you how much money my friend could give for a pure badger knot ? 20-30 $ ?

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I believe $15 for a knot is very inexpensive,If your happy with them thats all that matters.

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Originally Posted by pixelfixed

Here is an example of what I consider the ultimate test.
8 yrs ago

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I did said anything about an "ultimate-one and only-the best-unique" test anywhere.
Also i haven't got 8 years of my life to spend for a knot to decide if it's good or not
Then i need 70 for a wife,50 for a car etc.

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Originally Posted by pixelfixed

I believe $15 for a knot is very inexpensive

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The majority of knots from China in ebay are in that cost
You can see them in every shaving forum.
I have not 60$ to buy a High Mountain White Badger.

Not speaking for anyone, but I think your original question was would you glue these knots in a handle? my answer.....NO,
But I think thing's got side tracked....maybe?
From your pic's I would suggest sticking with the FS - if they are passing your test. As to the others, I think you said a friend gave them to you? so no real loss for you. Your friend may be disappointed, if you inform them of the quality. If you don't then it was still a nice Gesture on their part. Knots are expensive, and the majority come from China - I would suggest the difference is Quality control, and you're going to pay more for that. I think they just don't pack their knots with as much hair as other manufactures (which I think is what is causing the issue JMO). So in my opinion the failed knots are the expensive ones. Other than aesthetics they probably will serve their purpose but I wouldn't sell them.

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Originally Posted by Trimmy72

Not speaking for anyone, but I think your original question was would you glue these knots in a handle? my answer.....NO,
But I think thing's got side tracked....maybe?

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It happened in my other thread too
I can not convince every shaver in the world.
Maybe for example someone didn't like my re-handle work on my DE's or the material that i use
What shall i do,to abandon them ?

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From your pic's I would suggest sticking with the FS - if they are passing your test.

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Thank you very much for your opinion
You are right,the FS is in use.

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Originally Posted by Doryferon

It happened in my other thread too
I can not convince every shaver in the world.
Maybe for example someone didn't like my re-handle work on my DE's or the material that i use
What shall i do,to abandon them ?




Thank you very much for your opinion
You are right,the FS is in use.

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Can't answer the first question, I think everyone has their own experiences with products and everyone has opinions.
If you're selling, you're at the mercy of the public. Either what you make speaks to them or it doesn't.
Glad I could help, but I think you knew the answer all ready (referring to the knots), and were looking for reassurance that what you were thinking was right.

""""How can i make the decision to glue those knots ?
Would any of you take the risk and glue those knots ?
Tell me your opinion.""""

I think you need to glue them into something and use them to get a real test. Set the loft lower in the handle and see how it turns out. The only question I have is, why did your friend give them to you? Did he test them? Does he want you to make brushes for him? Did he just want to get rid of them? The material used to glue those knots look weird to me but that doesn't mean anything really. Just not what I see on quality knots I buy.

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Originally Posted by 10Pups

The only question I have is, why did your friend give them to you? Did he test them? Does he want you to make brushes for him? Did he just want to get rid of them?

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He is New in the hobby with no experience
Of course not,the knots were unattached
He asked for my help,i could refuse.
The base knot is a little bit weird,i don't know what kind of glue the chinese factory use.
I start working in one knot to fit him in a spare handle and i will post the results.

No,i am not selling brushes or handles or anything had to do with shaving
I am not related to some other company or i haven't anything against the PC&W
I didn't knew that company,you will find nothing in my previous posts referring to them.

Look forward to seeing the finished results

I found a spare handle,i was not using it
A little work on the base knot,i "toss" it more in the handle to prevent overbloom
I glue it not very good but enough to do the test
and the lather began.

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In the beginning everything looked good but when the time for swirling came look what happened with a little pressure:

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The knot under the foucet,no backbone at all.

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Here it is in the end of shaving.

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What you think about it now ?
Me, i am not happy at all.

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Buy better Knots:)

OK i start collecting the 60$ to buy a High Mountain White Badger knot
After 8 years of testing we will make a comparison with yours.

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Originally Posted by Doryferon

OK i start collecting the 60$ to buy a High Mountain White Badger knot
After 8 years of testing we will make a comparison with yours.

:hmmm:

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I have one. How does Obie say it.... it's like an angels kiss. You won't be disappointed Doryferon.

Thanks for the info HARRYWALLY

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That's a "plus" for this knot.