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I was wondering if I can get all of your opinions on what badger brush I can get as a gift for my dad and one for myself, that is good (you experts would recommended from experience with it) and no more then 40 bucks (I guess that's what I would spend on each one). I am buying my dad a de and getting him all the things he needs for wet shaving, I have a cheap badger and boar brush and want to get him something nicer.
I think that there are a lot of companies that can fit that bill. Just a quick look at Straight Razor Designs showed Omega brushes at a low start price. I think the Omegas are a good brush for the money. When you get to a spot where you want an amazing brush and want to spend a little more there are some amazing brush makers on this forum.
I think your best bang for the buck for a good badger is a Whipped Dog Silvertip. They are $30-$35 delivered. I used mine this morning. I have had this one for about a year and a half now. It is 24mmx48mm.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ps9523620b.jpg
Larry is also great to deal with: Whipped Dog Straight Razor Shaving Equipment
I would go for direct Chinese import. I have a Frank's Shaving Brush which is truly fantastic and on par with the best of my brushes.
Thank you for the tips. I will look into everything you guys suggested.
+1 on above, Also ask yourself how much scratch or scritch on the face do you like. Pure Badger gives more scratch and least expensive, (personally I prefer more scritch) Best, Super and Silvertip progressively get softer tips.
Denis :) What Brush, Soap, Razor or Blade is good for one man may not be good for another.
There is an Edwin Jagger Best Badger brush in the classifieds for $35. I've used one for over a year, and it is a fine brush. Might consider it...
friend of mine started off with a 10$ tweezerman from amazon. still uses it 2 years later! never felt the need to get anything different :)
Whipped Dog, can't beat it
+1 on direct import, unless you want a Shavemac or Thäter.Quote:
Originally Posted by decraew
There are exactly three types of badger hair: black (for paint brushes), grey, and silvertip. Everything else, and I really mean everything, is marketing brainwashing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallships
Of course you can. Here you go. Whipped Dog resells Chinese import knots and handles. As does The Golden Nib aka TGN. Cut out the middle man, and save money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frameback
Prove the above Guy,according to you, you have a major vested interest In Thater (one you have not explained)Quote:
Originally Posted by RobinK
Vendor bashing is not allowed on this site,But for some unknown reason, you can get away with it.
Parse error.Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelfixed
Ah, so we are back to character assassination? Let me tell you this, and I strongly suggest that this time you actually listen: I have no vested interest, commercial or otherwise, in any manufacturer. Thäter and Shavemac brushes blow Chinese made brushes out of the water in terms of craftsmanship and longevity. And that is not even mentioning the working conditions under which knots which retail for $5 must be made.Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelfixed
There is a very simple, and very obvious reason: I do not bash vendors. Unless you mean something else than defame. Do Whipped Dog and The Golden Nib resell Chinese knots and handles? Hint: They do. There is nothing wrong with that per se.Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelfixed
So, why do you not put your money where your mouth is, and prove where the "bashing" is. I am stating simple facts, and underpin them with links which will lead you to alternative, and cheaper, options.
Thank you.
You stated in a post last week that you had X $$$$ invested in thater,also that you were a major Shareholder.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobinK
You were asked questions about the above you never responded to.
As per YOU,YOU are the end all be all at thater,do thater get Knots come from Ali Express??
Is the hair used in thater brushes from China??
You put your Money where your mouth is.
My understanding is the majority of badger hair comes out of china...I know Da Vinci used badger out of Turkey but they are the exception to the rule.
Well, yes. I never did, did I? I chose not to to save you the embarrassment. Since you are apparently begging for it, here is the original quote:Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelfixed
Now, Thäter were founded in 1913.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobinK
The Reichsmark was the currency in Germany from 1924 until 20 June 1948.
A GmbH has no shareholders.
Do you have any further questions on this issue? If so, I will be more than happy to help.
No, they do not. They are hand made in Nuremberg by Harald Schuldes and his staff. What gave you the impression that Thäter (or Shavemac, or Rooney, or Simpson, or any European brush maker) uses Chinese made knots?Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelfixed
Of course it is. China has been the single source for badger hair for many years. I thought that was common knowledge, at least among people with a vested interest in brushes.Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelfixed
I hope that helps. Now, would you please explain where the "bashing" was?Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelfixed
Thank you.
All you need to do is read your own obnoxious posts,than you will know the rest of the story.
You come accross as a very threatning,Litiginous SRP member.
I will not give the courtesy of any furthur replies,your right,I am 100% wrong
Dunno, I guess it depends who you ask and what the definition of a shareholder is. They seem to mention shareholders here German American Lawgroup - German Law in connection with GmbHs. It is not a public company where any person can buy shares in it on the stock market but a private company the owners of which are the shareholders by dint of capital investment. At least that is my uninformed impression.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobinK
Bob
Why do I feel like I'm watching Jerry Springer every time Robin makes a post on a thread. It seems everyone is having a hard time getting along with you Robin. I hope this craziness doesn't last long.
I think Robin is actually doing this forum a great service by debunking a lot of the misinformation that is becoming common currency.
Chinese manufactured knots, razors and other wet shaving implements can all be easily purchased directly from the manufacturer today, which is cheaper for the consumer, much to the middle man's chagrin.
Is one mans opinion,a man who claims to own the majority if the thater company.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badgister
Unfortunately, he's going about it the wrong way. A simple question, from a newer member has turned Into, I know more about brushes than you. If he wants to enlighten us with this info, maybe start a new thread specifically on that topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badgister
…said the two discontent custom shaving handle brush makers.
Pixelfixed, please understand that Robin was being sarcastic about being a shareholder at Thater.
Harrywally, in the contrary, he provided the OP with his opinion based answers, no need to start a new thread. When the topic of chinese knots surfaced, you both coincidentally came on the defensive.
If there was no badger hair left in the world, I wouldn't stop turning on my Lathe. I could care less if no one wanted my brushes. It just so happens it fills my need to be creative. The point I'm trying to make is, newer people need a simple answer so things don't get confusing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badgister
He never said it was Sarcastic,had he done so things would be looked at in a differant light.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badgister
As to being defensive,Do not have to be.I sell every brush i make with never a complaint.
On a lighter note to sum things up. :angel::D
Bob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0srO4LTzVTE
You know, I thought if I stopped posting in this thread, so would you. Common courtesy and all that. But you are still making personal attacks. Quite honestly, I wonder why. As a businessman, you should know that what goes around comes around.
Indeed, and a simple answer is exactly what I provided:Quote:
Originally Posted by HARRYWALLY
It does not get simpler than that. Since everybody except the few European brush makers (whose offerings mostly exceed the original poster's budget anyway) uses the same Chinese knots anyway, why not go direct? If you follow the link, you will be presented with dozens of offerings that come with free shipping to the US. Wim mentioned Frank Shaving brushes, and I seconded that. Also, very simple. Also available from China direct, or via eBay.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobinK
I am still waiting for Pixelfix to explain where exactly the vendor bashing took place, by the way. That is a very strong accusation to make (one which can quickly cost you your account here), and I feel it should not be made unless one is able to back it up. Especially when made against a regular member who has quite a few people to vouch for his integrity (and the lack of a vested commercial interest permanently alluded to by Pixelfixed).
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Originally Posted by Frameback
Empathically: yes you can ! Again, through direct Chinese import.
There is simply no way that anyone in the States can get you the same knot cheaper than direct from China. If the knot is cheaper in China, what else is there to decide on ? Ah yes, the handle. If you want a fancier handle than what you can get in China, then one of the gentlemen on this forum can certainly oblige and you'll pay a mostly reasonable premium for that. If you don't care what colour/shape your handle is, you're better off buying in China.
Are you kidding ? I think Robin is hugely entertaining so I hope he's going to carry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by HARRYWALLY
I don't always agree with his ideas, but I also happen to think it's good to have someone who goes against the flow and challenges things. Besides, Robin is always polite and explains his points of view very well, the same cannot be said of some of the people who go in discussion with him.
The guy just wants to buy a good brush for decent money with good service.
Ofcourse he could try to buy parts from the source and drill and glue himself, and risk the work and delay of parts not coming in in time or dissappear..
He didn't plan to buy 100 brushes to resell.
So with this in mind I'll still state you can't beat whipped dog.
My reply must have been incomplete, or either you didn't read it thoroughly, but you can buy completely assembled badger brushes directly from China. He does not have to turn, drill or glue anything himself. And he can buy only one (1).Quote:
Originally Posted by Frameback
And I'll state again that for the same knot size/quality, the Whipped Dog brushes cannot be cheaper. Economically this would simply not make sense.
Good luck returning anything from Aliexpress if you get stuck with a defect. Pay a little more and get some customer service. I would stick with a reputable dealer.
That is a fair consideration! Although, until now, I cannot complain of the customer service I get from stuff bought in China.Quote:
Originally Posted by HARRYWALLY
Actually, it is just FUD. Alibaba offers the same buyer protection as eBay. In fact, that is a lot more than you would get if you ordered from a private individual outside your own jurisdiction.Quote:
Originally Posted by decraew
No problems here, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by decraew
Have to say this....after all the back and forth, I'm thinking about just MAYBE getting a Thater brush, just to see what all the fuss is about. :rofl2:
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Originally Posted by RobinK
Your comments on hart razors and I quote :
"I have tried three Hart razors. First impression when handling them was, "are they bloody joking?" The scales were laughable. The weight of the razors was disheartening. The shaves were mediocre, at best.
A few minutes of quality time with a hone later, they actually shaved. And that was that.
The Murrica factor aside, these razors cannot compete with entry level Solingen razors. Yet they cost three or more times as much. Reason for buying? Murrica. Nothing more, nothing less."
In my world thats pretty close to bashing this company. But i do understand that in your world anything thats not Solingen/German based is garbage.
Martin, thanks to Robin's recommendations, I have discovered excellent products I wouldn't have normally tried, from various parts of the world, including the United States!
While I may not always agree with Robin, I do not have his princess-and-the pea-like sensitive skin nor do I care for Ass milk in my shaving soap, I have always found him to be quite objective.
With respect to straight razors, I am partial to Solingen razors, only because the best specimens I have encountered happen to have been made there. There are always exceptions of course, *namely CNC made dovo 5/8's, Modern G&F razors, Gold Dachs razors etc.. even Robin would agree.
I have used nothing but Semogue badger brushes for several years, and I have owned some of the best, including a Plisson HMW. I use a less-dense knot because I found that it releases lather better than an extremely dense knot.
Why was this thread resurrected after 10 months of silence?
Maybe I missed the part of this thread where RobinK said anything about Hart steel razors?
Some threads should just be closed and left to fade away into the depths of the archive. This thread has run its course.
Originally the OP asked for advice on what to buy and he got more than he bargained for in this thread.
I'm closing it.