I have some America questions for you!

OK, so I've been to the US once (New York), but I have seen a lot of American TV and watch a lot of American football and I have a few American questions I need clearing up.

1) Who is Howdy Doody?

2) What is the difference between a burrito and a Fajita (slightly Mexican question). Is it the way they are folded? Type of meat?

3) Do you guys really carry guns around? What percentage of people carry guns? (I'm just interested as there is a thread on this forum about leather holsters and the media coverage of high school masacres etc doesn't paint a great picture). Please don't turn this into a squabble about guns. I just want a percentage figure.

4) What does a defensive end do? Stop the linebackers sacking the quarterback?

Ok that's it for the meantime. I'm sure i will have some more.

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Originally Posted by Bobbo

OK, so I've been to the US once (New York), but I have seen a lot of American TV and watch a lot of American football and I have a few American questions I need clearing up.

1) Who is Howdy Doody?

2) What is the difference between a burrito and a Fajita (slightly Mexican question). Is it the way they are folded? Type of meat?

3) Do you guys really carry guns around? What percentage of people carry guns? (I'm just interested as there is a thread on this forum about leather holsters and the media coverage of high school masacres etc doesn't paint a great picture). Please don't turn this into a squabble about guns. I just want a percentage figure.

4) What does a defensive end do? Stop the linebackers sacking the quarterback?

Ok that's it for the meantime. I'm sure i will have some more.

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I will take the first two and make an attempt at the third.

1) Howdy Doody was a character on a children's show back in the 60s. More info on him can be found here.

2) The difference is pretty much in how they are folded. The Burrito is rolled while the fajita is folded more like a taco usually. Also, burritos have a large range of contents, where as the fajita usually sticks to grilled beef sirloin or chicken breast that is cut into strips served with roasted bell peppers and red onions.

Fajitas are usually served un-assembled. You get a rather large plate with warm flour tortillas, beef or chicken, roasted bell pepper strips (usually both red and green), read onion strips, plus sour cream and guacamole. You then assemble the fajitas by loading the tortillas with the above mentioned items and then folding them. Fajitas make a great party food, as you can just place out all the fixings and the guests can pick and choose what they want.

3) I live in Arizona (the wild west if you will), and I can say that the majority of people do not carry guns on their person. I have lived here my whole life and have only known/seen maybe a total of ten people who carried a gun on a regular bases. It is not common at all, though I can't tell you an actually percentage. Sorry.

4) I know absolutely nothing about football, so leave it to someone else.

I'd also like to find a page with listed info on what each position does. Some are obvious like QB and RB but it messes with my enjoyment of the game even though it's not real football :nj

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2) What is the difference between a burrito and a Fajita (slightly Mexican question). Is it the way they are folded? Type of meat?

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A burrito is usually just ground meat and some kind of sauce in a rolled-up tortilla. A fajita is closer to an actual mexican taco al carbon (not the american taco), and is strips of beef or chicken or pork with accessories rolled up in a tortilla. Usual accessories include beans, guacamole, sour cream, cheese, grilled bell and jalapeno peppers, and grilled onions. Usually an assemble-your-own kind of proposition, which makes them fun.

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3) Do you guys really carry guns around? What percentage of people carry guns? (I'm just interested as there is a thread on this forum about leather holsters and the media coverage of high school masacres etc doesn't paint a great picture). Please don't turn this into a squabble about guns. I just want a percentage figure.

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It's pretty rare, even in states which have concealed-carry laws. Usually the CHL (concealed handgun licensee) ratio is only about 1-5% of the general population, and only a fraction of these actually carry on a regular basis. I've got a CHL and carry only when I'm gonna be running errands in a less savory part of town.

Lots of us have firearms in our homes though, and at one time lots of us had firearms in our vehicles for dealing with pesky or stupid&edible wildlife (pickup trucks with gun racks used to be a common sight until theft made it too expensive). I think the US has close to 1:1 ratio of firearms : person, though this is unevenly distributed; rural folk tend to have several (squirrel rifle, deer rifle, dad's shotgun, kid's shotgun, etc) while many city folk don't have any.

School massacres are actually pretty rare, though they do receive a lot of press coverage, made-for-TV-movies and retrospectives and whatnot, and this both inspires copycats and distorts the public's perception of how often they occur. Same thing was true with carjacking in the 1980's and 1990's, postal-service massacres in the 1970's and 1980's, serial killers back in the 1960's and 1970's, gang wars in the 1920's and 1930's, and wild-west shootouts in the 1870's and 1880's.

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4) What does a defensive end do? Stop the linebackers sacking the quarterback?

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The defensive end prevents the runner from running the ball around the edges of the field near the line of scrimmage, they also slow down the receivers who are running along the outside, and try to disrupt their timing and routes. They may also rush the quarterback, and other disruptive type things, but their primary job is guarding the outside ends of the line

For more football information, the amusingly unreliable wikipedia actually has a pretty good entry for american football, and how it relates to other similar sports like rugby and soccer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football

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Originally Posted by Bobbo

OK, so I've been to the US once (New York), but I have seen a lot of American TV and watch a lot of American football and I have a few American questions I need clearing up.

1) Who is Howdy Doody?

2) What is the difference between a burrito and a Fajita (slightly Mexican question). Is it the way they are folded? Type of meat?

3) Do you guys really carry guns around? What percentage of people carry guns? (I'm just interested as there is a thread on this forum about leather holsters and the media coverage of high school masacres etc doesn't paint a great picture). Please don't turn this into a squabble about guns. I just want a percentage figure.

4) What does a defensive end do? Stop the linebackers sacking the quarterback?

Ok that's it for the meantime. I'm sure i will have some more.

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So it looks like the Howdy Doody and Burrito/Fajita Questions have been taken care of quite nicely. Let me take a stab at the other two:

3. Most people in the U.S. do NOT carry guns around on their person. In fact, I can easily say that most do NOT even own a gun. I know many people that do own guns...mostly for hunting...if they own pistols, they usually go to a shooting range. I live in New York...am in the city a lot, and live about 30 minutes east of the heart of Manhattan on Long Island. Most people where I live and wherever I go do NOT carry guns. With that being said, there are several towns that are well known...some within 10-15 mins of my house where I would not feel comfortable driving around in a police car. These areas are more or less far and few between. New York in general gets a bad reputation from TV - it is no where as bad as it used to be, nor as bad as some TV shows or movies make it out to be...again, with that said, are there places where more people are likely to carry guns and do unlawful things...yes. Do things such as gangs really exist...yes...and those are usually the same areas I stay away from!

4. Defensive Ends: In football there is an offensive and defensive line. On the Defensive line, there are 2 to 3 different types of players you will see, depending on the formation. Let's keep it simple and only talk about 2: There are "tackles" and "defensive ends". The tackles are usually the bigger and fatter of the linemen...they are the two men on the inside of the line. The two men on the ENDs of the DEFENSIVE line are the "defensive ends" - they are usually slimmer, quicker, and more agile than a defensive tackle. Like many other men on defense, it is there job to not allow the offense to move forward (and if possible cause a fumble or interception to recover the ball for your own offense to take over)...depending on the defensive scheme/play called by the team, an end could have several jobs. Some of these jobs include: 1) Rushing the passer (QB) and trying to either sack him for a loss of yards, or strip the ball; 2) penetrating the offensive line aggressively and tackling the running back; 3) not aggressively attacking the offensive line, but "containing" the ball (preventing the ball carrier to get to the outside of him...therefore, trying to force him into the middle of the field where other defensive player are to tackle him.

It can get very complicated, but this is a basic primer...if you have any other questions, just ask away and I'll try to give you the info you need. It's not all that hard to understand...just lots of info to absorb.

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3. Most people in the U.S. do NOT carry guns around on their person. In fact, I can easily say that most do NOT even own a gun.

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That's true, though a considerably larger percentage of the *households* in the US own at least one gun. Here in Houston it may be 70% or higher; it's certainly very common. I'd suspect that the percentage in NY,NY is close to 0%, since it's very difficult to legally own a firearm there.

This might help: http://football.about.com/od/footbal...l_glossary.htm


Also see attachment.

Justin

I have to differ with the other fellas on who carries.

I personally carry everywhere I go and know several other people who do the same.
Granted that that is a pretty small number but under Florida law (where I live)

(17) "Securely encased" means in a glove compartment, whether or not locked; snapped in a holster; in a gun case, whether or not locked; in a zippered gun case; or in a closed box or container which requires a lid or cover to be opened for access.

You can carry in a snap holster in the glove compartment, a holster in a shoe box on the seat ect. ect.

I know quite some number of persons who do this but aren't part of the statistics due to the lack of liscensing.

Also there are huge numbers of Floridians with CCW permits, last I saw was around 300,000.
More info on that at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry

If you look at he section " Who Carries?" there are some pretty big numbers for quite a few states, although the data is a little dated it is still representative due to increased demand in recent years.

But to put it into perspective, Fl population is around 16,000,000 with 300,000 permits. 53,000 Sq miles and if 1 out of 6 CCW holders carries that means 1 per square mile for some basic math.
If you figure that all of the people stand on half of the land then it goes to 2 per mile. If someone really cared to do the math it could be a lot more, keeping in mind I was assuming that 1 of 6 permit holders actually wears.

I'll bet thats a hell of a lot more than in the UK.

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3) I live in Arizona (the wild west if you will), and I can say that the majority of people do not carry guns on their person. I have lived here my whole life and have only known/seen maybe a total of ten people who carried a gun on a regular basis. It is not common at all, though I can't tell you an actually percentage.

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As you know, I also live in Arizona, having moved here 15-years ago. I live in the Phoenix metro area (Phoenix being the 5th largest city in the US).

Most of the people I've seen openly carrying weapons here were working in the tourist industry (eg, waitresses at "cowboy restaurants", tour guides, etc.). Yes, a few had an outdoors job that might require one to deal with snakes or varmints, and a few were probably just doing the macho thing... but most just wear them openly to give the tourists a thrill. I'd guess I see someone with an open carry weapon at least once a month.

However, Arizona is one of 43 states that issues concealed carry permits. Matt, I think you'd be very surprised at the number of concealed weapons being carried in Arizona... the last stat I saw for CCW permits was 84000 (Nov 2006)... and something like 43% of those are women. Now granted, everyone with a permit doesn't necessarily carry one, but you'd be surprised what granny has in her handbag and what that guy you just flipped-off in traffic has under his seat.

Growing up --everybody I knew owned guns ----mostly hunting weapons and pistols for defense. I know people (including my sister) that carry concealed pistols for road travel but rarely carry on person. I know you don't want to get political but if you mention a situation like high school massacres then I think I have to explain at least that your average citizen who owns legal weapons is not a threat --- growing up even with everyone I knew owning a gun, things like high school massacres were unthinkable --- people in general just didn't solve their problems with guns ---fists yes --but not guns --only for defense and hunting.



Justin

Bobbo,

Awesome. I is always interesting to see what perceptions those in other countries have of ones own. I take for granted that Howdy Doodee is not an international household word.

I have recently been working with various others from different countries and I always attempt to play this game with them. I ask my quasi ethnosintristic but innocent questions as well as respond to there's. It is especially entertaining with the Africans. I must say I enjoy doing the same with the Brits as well.

I usually stick to asking questions about different accents and attempting to talk them into some cockney rhyming slang while they almost always ask if everybody is a cowboy or something to that effect.

Lessons I have learned so far:

1. Cockney rhyming slang is fun to listen to even if you don't know what the hell is being said.

2. Afternoon tea is a great idea (I learned that from a S. African). So far, Lapsang Souchong is my favorite.

3. Maybe we can't change the world but we can enjoy it a little more often.

Anyway, great thread.

thanks,
jocko

I have to chime in on the gun thing- it all depends on where you're at. I don't carry, but I own 3 guns. My father in law owns many and carries. My dad owns several. Most mechanics I knew had a few. It really just depends on the area. Here in the Oklahoma-Texas area, we're very comfortable with guns being around and like to have them.

The thing that most people forget to ask is how often all these guns are actually shot. I haven't shot one of my guns in at least 3 years, another probably 1.5 years, and the other 8 months or so. I clean them and take care of them, but they don't get too much action.

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As you know, I also live in Arizona, having moved here 15-years ago. I live in the Phoenix metro area (Phoenix being the 5th largest city in the US).

Most of the people I've seen openly carrying weapons here were working in the tourist industry (eg, waitresses at "cowboy restaurants", tour guides, etc.). Yes, a few had an outdoors job that might require one to deal with snakes or varmints, and a few were probably just doing the macho thing... but most just wear them openly to give the tourists a thrill. I'd guess I see someone with an open carry weapon at least once a month.

However, Arizona is one of 43 states that issues concealed carry permits. Matt, I think you'd be very surprised at the number of concealed weapons being carried in Arizona... the last stat I saw for CCW permits was 84000 (Nov 2006)... and something like 43% of those are women. Now granted, everyone with a permit doesn't necessarily carry one, but you'd be surprised what granny has in her handbag and what that guy you just flipped-off in traffic has under his seat.

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That is a good point. I had totally neglected to consider concealed in handbags or vehicles. I guess that raises the number considerably.

I live and work in the "Metroplex" which is (if you do not already know) a concrete jungle of city suburbs which extends from Dallas to Fort Worth and the surrounding towns and cities - we have several million folks in this sprawling area.

I do not call myself a gun nut, because I don't buy and sell regularly, or subscribe to any weapon magazines, or vote with my gun. However, I do carry when I can, and I own several, both sporting and handguns. I have taken now over 80 hours of defensive handgun classes (Thunderranch), because I have never equated gun onership with gun *competance*. I think that the numbers of folks that own and carry guns in Texas is pretty substantial. With the passing of a new law allowing folks without concealed handgun licenses to carry weapons in their cars (even if they are not crossing county lines), I think more folks have more guns available at their disposal. Texas, I am told, has one of the most stringent concealed carry licensure processes in the States, requiring background checks, fingerprinting, and a 10 hour course on the law (with a final open book test) and a shooting test to prove ability to handle a gun.

I do not ever intend to kill a human, I am not overly fond of killing any living creature (and have not hunted in twenty years), but as Clint Smith said "While everybody is going to die, I am not going to let that guy [criminal with gun] decide when it is time for me to die, and I am not going to get killed for lack of shooting back."

OK, that might get me yelled at, so lets talk UK! I went to school at Emmanuel in Cambridge for a spell, spent some excellent time on the ditch that is the Cam, never had a chance to get to Oxford, though we roughed up some boys from Merton, I was the pasty US rugby ringer...fun times. I think I was rotting my brain with my new found joy, "Black and Tans" while listening to George's Best at unreal volumes on some crappy old Wharfdales...those were the days.

K

I'll pass on the first two but I do have a license to carry a gun and I have a collection on guns, just like I have a collection of straight razors. America is a great place, you are FREE to do what you want. It's great.

You really can't ask Americans about guns without it becoming political ---- it's a very touchy subject --- the concept of gun ownership is built into our Bill of Rights --- it's really asking an American to address what it means to be an American -- you might as well be talking about freedom of speech or religion. So Bobbo, however objective a question about gun ownership might be (asking for statistics and such), it is very difficult for an American to just give figures without interjecting an opinion or two. Again when I was a kid (growing up in the rural south), everyone had guns -- some people had visible hunting rifles on gun racks in their trucks --- fighting was common amongst young males (and females) but never once can I remember someone using a gun (the gun might only be a few feet away in a truck) for offensive reasons against individuals.


Justin

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OK, that might get me yelled at, so lets talk UK! I went to school at Emmanuel in Cambridge for a spell, spent some excellent time on the ditch that is the Cam, never had a chance to get to Oxford, though we roughed up some boys from Merton, I was the pasty US rugby ringer...fun times. I think I was rotting my brain with my new found joy, "Black and Tans" while listening to George's Best at unreal volumes on some crappy old Wharfdales...those were the days.

K

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Ah you Cambridge lads are all the same... My alma mater is Oxford (DPhil, not undergrad, although I was a college tutor at The Queen's College, so I got to observe the wildlife pretty closely). Lived there for 4 years and loved it.

I've punted on both the Cam and the Isis - sorry, but IMO the Cam just doesn't compare...;)

James.

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Ah you Cambridge lads are all the same... My alma mater is Oxford (DPhil, not undergrad, although I was a college tutor at The Queen's College, so I got to observe the wildlife pretty closely). Lived there for 4 years and loved it.



James.

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James ---- I'm not sure how to address or speak to you now ---- I feel like I have to be much more formal and maybe call you Dr. ---- nah ---- I'll continue being rude,crude, and lude ---- the lowest common denominator can be understood and appreciated by all ;).

Justin

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James ---- I'm not sure how to address or speak to you now ---- I feel like I have to be much more formal and maybe call you Dr. ---- nah ---- I'll continue being rude,crude, and lude ---- the lowest common denominator can be understand and appreciated by all ;).

Justin

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Justin - my friends usually call me "Master" :D (that's a joke - "stupid pratt" is usually what I get)

Mate, rude, crude, and lewd works for me. Keep it coming :tu

James.

I also carry a pistol whenever I leave the house except when going to work or church where it isn't allowed. The last percentage figure I heard was also about 2%.

About the school "massacre" thing. I think it often gets totally blown out of proportion by the amount of publicity that surrounds each incident. For example the Latest school "massacre" was a guy shooting his ex then himself in the parking lot during spring break and the only one who died was the shmuck who did the shooting. Some "massacre".

Here's a little tidbit to chew on London's violent crime rate is double that of Washington DC which is hands down America's most dangerous city. London's gun related crime rate is also higher, despite the restricted access compared to here.

I have a Howdy Doody puppet from my youth. Still works. That was a good TV show from the early years. Much has been lost.
Mexican food has been covered, but not the really good Mexican food. How about duck, lamb, shrimp or prime rib instead?
Our Football has been covered, even if the rest of the world insists on calling soccer football.
I carry a Sig P230 every day of the week (licensed and trained, plus military experience) . Many of the men I am friends with also carry. The truth is that experienced concealed carry people do just that, conceal the weapon. You should not be able to tell by looking if someone has a concealed pistol on their person. If you can, there is a problem.
I hunt, fish, and eat meat I kill, not harvest, with modern firearms, flintlocks, and bows or catch with fly, casting, or spinning rods. We have a great outdoor sporting tradition in this country and I enjoy it to the fullest.
I'm also a wet shaver, educated, and ornery. In other words, an individual.

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I hunt, fish, and eat meat I kill, not harvest, with modern firearms, flintlocks, and bows or catch with fly, casting, or spinning rods. We have a great outdoor sporting tradition in this country and I enjoy it to the fullest.
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John --- this is off subject but I'm glad you've pointed out the trend to call hunting "harvesting." I don't know when this started but it doesn't give the full depth of hunting --you are killing -- it is an active life and death process --- I don't know anywhere that you can go pick a deer off of a deer tree or where crops of game can be harvested. It seems a little bit too much like a euphemism ---- hunters should be proud of an recognize fully of what they are doing -- no need to sugar coat it.


Justin

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Originally Posted by Bobbo

OK, so I've been to the US once (New York), but I have seen a lot of American TV and watch a lot of American football and I have a few American questions I need clearing up.

1) Who is Howdy Doody?

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It was the main character in some sort of kids show back in the day, I think. Never seen it, myself.

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2) What is the difference between a burrito and a Fajita (slightly Mexican question). Is it the way they are folded? Type of meat?

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Honestly? I have no clue. I've lived in California my whole life, so that might be a bit odd.

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3) Do you guys really carry guns around? What percentage of people carry guns? (I'm just interested as there is a thread on this forum about leather holsters and the media coverage of high school masacres etc doesn't paint a great picture). Please don't turn this into a squabble about guns. I just want a percentage figure.

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This is a tough question. Yes, some people do carry guns daily. Most of the time, you'll have no idea that someone is carrying. If they're doing it right, that is. We have Concealed Carry Permits over here (Varies from state to state. The laws are a bit wobbly in some places.). If you qualify for one (Some areas are harder than others.), you can carry a concealed pistol for defense. Qualifying usually means taking classes on marksmanship, knowing the laws [When it's okay to shoot and when it isn't okay], and other valuable skills. Also, age is usually a factor (Most states require 21+ to apply.), as is criminal history (Got a record? You can prettymuch forget about carrying. May possibly have to forget about owning them period, if the crime is serious enough.).
There are some states where open carry is also legal (Usually restricted to small towns, and wilderness areas.). Open carry is basically wearing the gun out in the open (In a holster, clearly visible on your belt), as opposed to concealed (In which nobody should ever know you're carrying, unless you have to draw to save a life.
Packing.org has a lot of information about the legal side of carrying firearms. Legal firearm owners are rarely in the media when they do positive things (Protect their families, stop a rape, etc.), so we get a bad reputation. The only time you typically hear about guns in the news is when some kid shoots up a school, or when a gang member opens fire on an officer.
Some people decide to ignore the laws, though. We do have gang problems in some areas, and gang members often carry firearms illegally. They usually obtain them by illegal methods, as well. Gangs tend to keep to killing each other, but now and then there's a tragedy with a stray bullet from a drive by, or some punk trying to prove how "tough" he is.
It's fairly rare to hear about gun problems caused by legal, responsible gun owners. We tend to use common sense, and people being safe doesn't usually make the news.
I've fired thousands of rounds through my many guns, without a single shot fired in anger. I've never carried a gun outside of my house (Well, except for the trips from the front door to the trunk of my car when I go to the shooting range, and they're secured in bags for that short trip. And when I go to competitions, I'm allowed to carry my firearm openly [Though unloaded, until I'm ready to shoot]), because it would be illegal for me to do so (I don't have a permit.). I keep a firearm near my bed, for the unlikely event of a break in (If they just want my stuff, fine. But if they put my family in danger, it's my duty to protect my family, and myself.). I've never had an accident with any firearm, and I keep my skills and wits sharp to ensure that I never do. (And yes, it is legal to carry firearms open or concealed in your own house and property (With some exceptions, as listed at packing.org). I'm not violating any laws by carrying or storing my firearms in my house.).
In short, some people do carry legally. But there's probably no reason to be afraid of these people. They have been through training, and generally know what they're doing. Legal gun carriers have been known to stop quite a few crimes. Think of legal carriers as an asset to the community, not an object of fear.

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4) What does a defensive end do? Stop the linebackers sacking the quarterback?

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Honestly, I don't follow sports. I'm a nerd, I'm a bit lazy and I don't enjoy sports. The only "sport" I participate in is golf.

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Originally Posted by jaegerhund

You really can't ask Americans about guns without it becoming political ---- it's a very touchy subject --- the concept of gun ownership is built into our Bill of Rights --- it's really asking an American to address what it means to be an American -- you might as well be talking about freedom of speech or religion.

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Some time ago I was at a developer conference in Barcelona, and when day 2 ended I had diner with a couple of senior Microsoft employees.
We talked about development stuff, but eventually the conversation turned to traveling, different cultures and the differences between the US and europe.

I can't remember what exactly we were talking about, but I do recall that Bush was involved. I was explaining something to them, and I was becoming more nervous by the minute because I was afraid I was going to say something that would insult them. At least one of them was a republican.

He (the republican) noticed my discomfort and literally said 'It's OK, we are in Europe. Here you are allowed to discuss politics and religion'.

The Americans themselves admitted that those 2 topics are to be avoided in the US because it polarizes a conversation, and people immediately become defensive. That is is large part due to the way US politics work. There are only 2 sigificant political parties, so any debate quickly turns into a 'with us or against us' scenario.
European countries mostly have true multiparty governments, so topics get looked at from different angles.

They said that they were totally comfortable discussion all those things with us because we tend to look at something from different angles, so a discusion really is a discussion, rather than a fight that has to be won.
They also told us that they would never have these conversations at home to avoid a bad atmosphere.

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John --- this is off subject but I'm glad you've pointed out the trend to call hunting "harvesting." I don't know when this started but it doesn't give the full depth of hunting --you are killing -- it is an active life and death process --- I don't know anywhere that you can go pick a deer off of a deer tree or where crops of game can be harvested. It seems a little bit too much like a euphemism ---- hunters should be proud of an recognize fully of what they are doing -- no need to sugar coat it.


Justin

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I would never call it harvesting. IMO, harvesting implies success which is something I rarely encounter. Hunting still leaves some room for doubt which is a better description of what I do!:roflmao
-Fred

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2) What is the difference between a burrito and a Fajita (slightly Mexican question). Is it the way they are folded? Type of meat?

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OK, I'm not from the US but I can answer this one.

The difference between Fajita and Burrito is unequivocal. There are no songs (to my knowledge) about Fajitas. And there are no bands named after Fajitas. And Fajitas cannot fly.

(We miss you, Gram.)

Bruno, there are three things Americans (traditionally) don't speak about during meals or friendly gatherings: Religion, politics, and sex. It can ruin an otherwise friendly situation. Southerners (I am one) can be particularly strict about this.

Justin

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OK, I'm not from the US but I can answer this one.

The difference between Fajita and Burrito is unequivocal. There are no songs (to my knowledge) about Fajitas. And there are no bands named after Fajitas. And Fajitas cannot fly.

(We miss you, Gram.)

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Now I'm confused. Burritos can fly?

You're wrong about Fajita songs though: what about the Harry Belafonte classic "I love you Fajita, my sweetheart from Venezuela"?

And, it's a little known fact that the Eagles originally started out as an Alabama Polka band called "Don Fajita and his Fantabulous Philharmonia". Apparently they just couldn't compete with the plethora of Polka bands that abounded in Alabama at the time, so they changed their name and the rest is history. You can still hear the Polka influences on tracks like "Peaceful, easy feeling", "Tequila Sunrise", "Lying Eyes", and "Hotel California" just to name a few.

James.

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Now I'm confused. Burritos can fly?

You're wrong about Fajita songs though: what about the Harry Belafonte classic "I love you Fajita, my sweetheart from Venezuela"?

And, it's a little known fact that the Eagles originally started out as an Alabama Polka band called "Don Fajita and his Fantabulous Philharmonia". Apparently they just couldn't compete with the plethora of Polka bands that abounded in Alabama at the time, so they changed their name and the rest is history. You can still hear the Polka influences on tracks like "Peaceful, easy feeling", "Tequila Sunrise", "Lying Eyes", and "Hotel California" just to name a few.

James.

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I think he's talking about the Flying Burrito Brothers http://www.inkblotmagazine.com/rev-a...t_Burritos.htm

Interesting stuff about the Eagles, James ---but are you serious about the abundance of Polka bands in Alabama -- to me Polka bands are about as un-southern as you can get ---maybe they didn't make it because southerners didn't want to listen to Polka -- maybe I'm wrong.


Justin

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John --- this is off subject but I'm glad you've pointed out the trend to call hunting "harvesting." I don't know when this started but it doesn't give the full depth of hunting --you are killing -- it is an active life and death process --- I don't know anywhere that you can go pick a deer off of a deer tree or where crops of game can be harvested. It seems a little bit too much like a euphemism ---- hunters should be proud of an recognize fully of what they are doing -- no need to sugar coat it.


Justin

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I'm glad you cleared this up for ME. Those guys I hear talk about harvesting game, I thought they went to a deer farm or pheasant ranch to shoot them. Now I hear they thoought they were actually hunting.

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I think he's talking about the Flying Burrito Brothers http://www.inkblotmagazine.com/rev-a...t_Burritos.htm

Interesting stuff about the Eagles, James ---but are you serious about the abundance of Polka bands in Alabama -- to me Polka bands are about as un-southern as you can get ---maybe they didn't make it because southerners didn't want to listen to Polka -- maybe I'm wrong.


Justin

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Yeah, that could be it - my music history is a bit rusty.

But man, who doesn't like Polka?? One of my most favourite albums is that one Weird Al Yankovic did a few years back. His Polka version of the Nine Inch Nails' "Closer" - pure unadulterated genius. Makes me want to dance everytime I hear it.

James.

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I'm glad you cleared this up for ME. Those guys I hear talk about harvesting game, I thought they went to a deer farm or pheasant ranch to shoot them. Now I hear they thoought they were actually hunting.

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Don't get me wrong -- you hear serious legitimate hunters using the term "harvest" when hunting. But I don't know why or how this started ---maybe it's an attempt to better "sell" hunting -- but you even hear totally non-politically correct hunters like Ted Nugent use this term. I haven't hunted in a long while but I never heard the term when I did.

Justin

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Yeah, that could be it - my music history is a bit rusty.

But man, who doesn't like Polka?? One of my most favourite albums is that one Weird Al Yankovic did a few years back. His Polka version of the Nine Inch Nails' "Closer" - pure unadulterated genius. Makes me want to dance everytime I hear it.

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I was just wondering but Polka is usually associated with the Northern/middle part of the country. But I guess it is played and enjoyed everywhere ---- it just isn't southern --like the blues, jazz, rock n roll, blue grass, --- you get the idea.

Justin

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I was just wondering but Polka is usually associated with the Northern/middle part of the country. But I guess it is played and enjoyed everywhere ---- it just isn't southern --like the blues, jazz, rock n roll, blue grass, --- you get the idea.

Justin

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Yeah - that's fair enough. It's not a huge thing down here either...

Anyway, back on topic - the gun thing. In Australia there's plenty of guns - our gun control laws make it difficult to own certain types of firearms, but there's plenty of non-automatic rifles of lower calibre about. I'm pretty sure my father still has my old Anschutz .22 at home (probably registered in my name even after 20 years). It's just that they're not obvious - the only people you see carrying are Police or armed forces (and the latter is rare). I don't think we have a concealed weapon license in Australia.

Is it that much different in the US? I mean, there are guns about but you really don't see them on a day to day basis?

James.

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Yeah - that's fair enough. It's not a huge thing down here either...

Anyway, back on topic - the gun thing. In Australia there's plenty of guns - our gun control laws make it difficult to own certain types of firearms, but there's plenty of non-automatic rifles of lower calibre about. I'm pretty sure my father still has my old Anschutz .22 at home (probably registered in my name even after 20 years). It's just that they're not obvious - the only people you see carrying are Police or armed forces (and the latter is rare). I don't think we have a concealed weapon license in Australia.

Is it that much different in the US? I mean, there are guns about but you really don't see them on a day to day basis?

James.

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Fully automatic weapons are illegal without a special permit ---- so even if someone owns an assault rifle , it's not fully automatic. I live in "gun country" and you will not see people carrying guns visibly --- maybe concealed --- I don't know too many who carry concealed weapons but people do. Most people keep guns in the house -- but people in general are not gun crazy --- it's just natural and traditional -- not really thought about really until questioned.

Justin

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Fully automatic weapons are illegal without a special permit ---- so even if someone owns an assault rifle , it's not fully automatic. I live in "gun country" and you will not see people carrying guns visibly --- maybe concealed --- I don't know too many who carry concealed weapons but people do. Most people keep guns in the house -- but people in general are not gun crazy --- it's just natural and traditional -- not really thought about really until questioned.

Justin

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Yeah, that's what I thought. We see all the movies where everyone seems to be walking about with revolvers and blowing each other away, and transfer that onto everyday life in the US for some reason. Makes no sense really.

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Yeah, that's what I thought. We see all the movies where everyone seems to be walking about with revolvers and blowing each other away, and transfer that onto everyday life in the US for some reason. Makes no sense really.

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I would hate to think that the "average American" was something created by Hollywood --- not a very good image. You know even the Western movies about gunslingers where two guys face off against each other is mostly fabrication. They weren't that noble and brave in general --- but it is something that most Americans wish was true;). Historically, the South was pretty violent and people say that's where Southern politeness and courtesy comes from -- if you know everybody is packing a gun then you better be nice. Even today you rarely see grown men in the South yell at each other or use derogatory language --- without altercation. But rest assure most Americans are good freedom loving people and gun ownership is just part of the package deal --- comes with territory.

Justin

Jaeger-dude!

Well said! Good, thoughtful responses, and I agree with pretty much everything you've said. You've done a nice job of summing things up.:tu

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Jaeger-dude!

Well said! Good, thoughtful responses, and I agree with pretty much everything you've said. You've done a nice job of summing things up.:tu

-whatever

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Thanks Mr. Lou --- I was trying to stray away from being too political but I wanted to make sure that Bobbo and others understood that traditional gun ownership has little to do with the punks that go into a place and massacre everyone and that the gun owning people I grew up with and come from were good people who I appreciate more and more the older I get. They were flawed like everyone but most were genuine and real --- two characteristics that are harder and harder to find. Thanks again.


Justin

HOLY CRAP!

I walked away from this the other day because I figured no one wanted to hear about guns and look at the thread now!

I have compiled a list of those I know who carry and what they carry.

1) Doctor----- Smith 462
2) Housewife---- Feg 32 acp
3) Nurse (male)---- Seecamp 9mm
4) Pastry chef------ some Smith J frame
5) Retired firefighter---- KelTec PF9
6) Immigration Lawyer----Keltec PF9
7) Dirty old man--------Smith 1911 45 acp
8) 2 retired Sheriffs ----- 1 Taurus 85 and a Glock
9) Waitress------- NAA 22 Mag
10) Me -------- Makarov or USP9 or CZ52 or Taurus 608

Most of the cops I know carry off duty.

Other points to clear up.

Not only do I not "Harvest game" , I don't " Hunt" either.
I'm a killer. Plain and simple.

Wildtim may know about the deer situation in the Norther Lower Penninsula.
Well I've done a BUNCH of crop damage shooting up there and its a damn slaughter. No sport about it.

Next, Religion.

IF there is a God he/she is a generally mean and disagreeable sort of person and I try to avoid those types. IF.

Politics.

The Democrats don't want you to cut a tree down because there is an owl sitting in it.

The Republicans point out that the owl will most likely take flight as the tree starts to fall.

Seriously though.
The Democrats are nuts. The nerd from AZ was just on Tv preaching about equality the other day. Richardson I believe.

Their version of equality is equality of outcomes. This of course leads to favoritism and dare I say it? Yes, RACISM! The Democrats coddle and encourage racism through their policies among other things ie dependence on the state, the general erosion of personal freedoms through legislation concerning things that aren't their buisness, and furthering the causes of radical liberalism.

This coming election is the Democrats to lose.

Hillary IS going to make a run at guns. There is legislation in the works right now to ban anything semiauto and handguns over .30 cal and almost anything else that goes bang.


I'm gonna hide mine.

Oh yeah, Bush is a complete idiot and the Republican party is generally destructive to the enviroment.

And as far as using guns in anger?

I carry on duty 42 hours or more each week right smack in the middle of the damn ghetto and have only drawn maybe twice (course I have to write a big damn report every time). Never had to draw my concealed weapon.

It's like Jeager-dude said. I've seen fistfights not 10 feet from a gun and no one ever even thought of using it.


Here I go. :shrug:

The inner city blacks are the exception.
Black culture (ie. rap music( so I go to my heavy Chevy and pop the trunk...I ain't never scared... I ain't never scared))
and such would dictate that you need to
1) hold your weapon incorrectly (sideways)
2) buy wheels and tires so expensive that you can't afford a decent car to put them on. ( 86 Cutlass painted purple with 26's )
3) Try to be Billy Badass every chance you get.
Hence the more frequent occurances of gun play.
In the part of Orlando just west of downtown (Parramore) we hear gunshots on the order of at least once a week and often more like once a night.

Last night I heard a 10 shot burst from what sounded to be a intermediate rifle cartridge not too far off. Stray rounds sure are a bitch! :td

The second to the last man on this post got robbed at gunpoint.
The last man on this post quit after death threats.
They've tried to play me for a fool. They stopped. I'll smoke that a$$ and they know it.:nono:

I carry 76 rounds of Ranger SXT 127 +P+ , a baton, OC, a Spyderco Civilian, a Tasman salt, club style light, Cold Steel Zytel Delta dart with my pens, a Ka Bar marine fighting knife on my ankle and a class II vest with trauma plates raising it to IIIA or better and I keep a 12 ga in the trunk (just in case).:w
Oh, and I let my partner walk in front cause he... well... cause he will !:roflmao


As far as using my weapon goes, I wouldn't hesitate for even the slightest second. Hell, that's why I have it! :tu