The world I would love to live in.

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Originally Posted by honedright

Whether you feel the need or not, whether you live where you do or don't, doesn't matter because you've been told you can't. If you find that acceptable, less power to you, mate.

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As far as i know, I would be allowed to own a firearm if i wanted one, there would probably be conditions on ownership and I might not be able to choose whatever I liked though. And besides they are not the only way to defend yourself.

No man is absolutely free, be it modern or some ancient society. We are all dependent from the world and people surrounding us, more or less.
Guns are great & fun hobby and something to occasionally carry at work, but have no much to do with self defence.

Stable society and general respect of life, all life, is the best self defence. Living in a society where i would have to arm myself for self defence wouldn't really be something i would like to see or live in. I would surely arm myself, legal or not, if i thought i needed to, but from where i live the idea seems absurd. Guess from that little part the society & it's people have done well.

Our society surely ain't ready or perfect, but things tend to turn better in time. Slowly but anyway.

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Originally Posted by honedright

Whether you feel the need or not, whether you live where you do or don't, doesn't matter because you've been told you can't. If you find that acceptable, less power to you, mate.

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Fredoom is a funny concept.
Living in a place were one doesn't need a weapon is freedom, and safety, to some.
Living in an area were one would feel unsafe without one, and lacking the funds to change that situation for yourself and your family is basically what the African-American slaves felt like 200 years ago.
Fredoom? meh, not so much.
Less power to whom exactly?

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Originally Posted by Birnando

Fredoom is a funny concept.
Living in a place were one doesn't need a weapon is freedom, and safety, to some.
Living in an area were one would feel unsafe without one, and lacking the funds to change that situation for yourself and your family is basically what the African-American slaves felt like 200 years ago.
Fredoom? meh, not so much.
Less power to whom exactly?

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Thanks birnando, glad at least some of us can see sense.

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Originally Posted by gooser

the world I would want to live in was the Midwest-west around 1800 ...hunt , trap , fish , grow , and trade for everything I need .. walk endless with the only fear I have is a big bear , and the only shave that would bother me would be a scalping ..lol.. prospecting for gold that would be plentiful , discovering prehistoric finds , no politics or restrictions , no judgment by looks but by character and actions , just living off the land as a loner , family or group , no drama , no phones , no time to worry about other then seasons ....just so much to see that is untouched or ruined by the modern day

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Yes that sure seems idyllic. The only problem is if you were around in those days you probably would have died in infancy or childhood from disease and never got to enjoy those things. if you had survived childhood there was a good chance you died of some mishap early in life and probably would never live to see your 50th birthday.

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Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Yes that sure seems idyllic. The only problem is if you were around in those days you probably would have died in infancy or childhood from disease and never got to enjoy those things. if you had survived childhood there was a good chance you died of some mishap early in life and probably would never live to see your 50th birthday.

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Thats why I smoke, takes years off the end of my life when I'll probably be old and miserable anyways. Lol

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Originally Posted by DennisBarberShop

Thats why I smoke, takes years off the end of my life when I'll probably be old and miserable anyways. Lol

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Yes but when you get old you're supposed to be miserable and make everyone else's life miserable, especially those you don't like. It's like payback-Har har.

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Originally Posted by DennisBarberShop

Thats why I smoke, takes years off the end of my life when I'll probably be old and miserable anyways. Lol

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You know the old one liner, "If I knew I was going to live this long I'd have took better care of myself " ? Well that seems cute until you get there, but the older you get the truer it becomes. :ziplip:

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Originally Posted by thebigspendur

Yes that sure seems idyllic. The only problem is if you were around in those days you probably would have died in infancy or childhood from disease and never got to enjoy those things. if you had survived childhood there was a good chance you died of some mishap early in life and probably would never live to see your 50th birthday.

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yeah but if I did live through the childhood , what a good few years I would have !! besides I would rather die young in those days seeing a lot then die old in these days only seeing things on tv in a hospital bed ....

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Originally Posted by gooser

the world I would want to live in was the Midwest-west around 1800 ...hunt , trap , fish , grow , and trade for everything I need .. walk endless with the only fear I have is a big bear , and the only shave that would bother me would be a scalping ..lol.. prospecting for gold that would be plentiful , discovering prehistoric finds , no politics or restrictions , no judgment by looks but by character and actions , just living off the land as a loner , family or group , no drama , no phones , no time to worry about other then seasons ....just so much to see that is untouched or ruined by the modern day

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I'm very interested in the things that are stopping you from taking that wilderness life? US is quite sparsely populated and as far as I can tell that lifestyle is available, if not emigration to Canada is quite simple for a US citizen and there are even more opportunities for isolated and self-sufficient life. And there are other places in the world which offer the same possibilities.

As far as judgement by character and actions, I'd say you're idealizing the past - if anything people back then were far more prejudiced based on superficial and external criteria than nowadays. Pretty much every book that has survived the test of time contains testimony to this.