Ebola

You are right, you can't convince me by simply saying something is so when the overwhelming evidence I find is to the opposite.

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We just have different definitions of what "people don't trust the government for X" means. You seem to find something special about ebola, I find the 'trust level' marginally worse than on virtually any other issue X.
For example how much people trust the government to
- maintain the stability of the US financial system
- to repay the US debt
- to uphold the Constitution
- to make laws that are good for the country
- to enforce the laws fairly
- ...

Do the polls, listen to the pundits, follow the media circus and you'll find out that the only thing people trust the government for is to screw them personally. Yet, they keep investing in the US stock market, keep liquid assets in the banks backed by FDIC, go to vote, etc.

Talk is cheap, so I've learned to look at how people behave to find out what they really think.

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Originally Posted by gugi

You are right, you can't convince me by simply saying something is so when the overwhelming evidence I find is to the opposite.

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We just have different definitions of what "people don't trust the government for X" means. You seem to find something special about ebola, I find the 'trust level' marginally worse than on virtually any other issue X.
For example how much people trust the government to
- maintain the stability of the US financial system
- to repay the US debt
- to uphold the Constitution
- to make laws that are good for the country
- to enforce the laws fairly
- ...

Do the polls, listen to the pundits, follow the media circus and you'll find out that the only thing people trust the government for is to screw them personally. Yet, they keep investing in the US stock market, keep liquid assets in the banks backed by FDIC, go to vote, etc.

Talk is cheap, so I've learned to look at how people behave to find out what they really think.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/15/ar...anted=all&_r=0

"You seem to find something special about ebola,"

In an Ebola thread I would expect so,

You can always start having conversation on the substance at hand instead of looking for yet another unfounded assertion to make.

I disagreed with your assertion and explained why, you first accuse me of being close-minded and refusing to see the evidence for your argument which you fail to provide and then accuse me of simply arguing for argument's sake.

One thing you got right though, I am only interested in discussions based on rational arguments and concrete evidence to back them up, and have given it enough chances - time to accept that it is not going to happen.

I have seen footage of the area that has the highest infection rates, in all honesty, it amazes me there are so few cases of the disease. I doubt the western world has much to worry about, but I do think air travel should be restricted from countries affected. Australia has made the right decision.

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Originally Posted by gugi

One thing you got right though, I am only interested in discussions based on rational arguments and concrete evidence to back them up, and have given it enough chances - time to accept that it is not going to happen.

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That is absolutely correct as I have said from the beginning "The facts simply don't matter" that is the part that you and most every other "Medical Expert" just can't seem to understand.. But keep parroting over and over and over, the public at large doesn't really care about the science...

No matter how many times they say a Fear of Ebola is ignorant and irrational the way it was handled from the beginning by the Politicians, the Medical experts and the media have made the facts and the science irrelevant...

That is easily proved by the FACT that 80% of Americans still want a travel ban as of last polls,

As to arguing for the sake of the argument I am only going by the fact that you have repeatedly tried to introduce new topics and have deflected throughout which I have simply ignored and stayed on the Ebola discussion

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Originally Posted by DickWhitman

And how. praytell, is that determined? LOL

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I am guessing by the amount of virus found in say the blood of an infected person. Something quantitative like PPM.

I keep reading about the "Viral load" of an infected person and trying to get a grip on that not being a medical professional.

Is the viral load higher that an infected person carries with this out break compared to previous ones of the same strain? If the viral load is higher does that mean you can more easily get infected by contact with bodily fluids from the infected person than before?

The method of transmission remains the same but is the probability of infection higher due to more of the virus being present than before?

Pray tell, LOL et cetera.

Bob

No. It doesn't matter. Feel better?

Either way it's out of your control and the only people dealing with late stage Ebola symptoms are health care professionals (like myself).

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

That is absolutely correct as I have said from the beginning "The facts simply don't matter" that is the part that you and most every other "Medical Expert" just can't seem to understand.. But keep parroting over and over and over, the public at large doesn't really care about the science...

No matter how many times they say a Fear of Ebola is ignorant and irrational the way it was handled from the beginning by the Politicians, the Medical experts and the media have made the facts and the science irrelevant...

That is easily proved by the FACT that 80% of Americans still want a travel ban as of last polls,

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Over 90% of Americans supported universal background checks on weapon purchases yet that wasn't sufficient for it to happen and so it didn't.

You can try to mischaracterize my arguments as much as you want, but I already gave plenty of evidence demonstrating that your understanding of the politics is only superficial.

The 'facts' indeed still appear to matter to most americans - the polls do show that the overwhelming majority does not think they are at risk of infection, that there is not a significant risk of epidemic, and that the government is capable to handle an epidemic if one is to happen. CDC is still trusted far more than most other parts of the government, even with the drop from 73% to 62% after the infected nurse was allowed to fly.

Sorry, but simply asserting something doesn't make it true.

You can try to mischaracterize my arguments as much as you want, but I already gave plenty of evidence demonstrating that your understanding of the politics is only superficial.

Sorry, but simply asserting something doesn't make it true.

I disagree with your assumptions about this Ebola situation and the politics so basically my response to you is that same as yours to me..

PS: the poll I found with just a fast search is at a 37% for the CDC but then again it is from a far right wing source CBS :p

You're right however it is higher then other agencies like the IRS and SS


pps: @Bob I found this while checking sources on Gugi's CDC numbers it has some info on the stains and virile loads with links to search farther

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...lumn/17800077/

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Originally Posted by DickWhitman

No. It doesn't matter. Feel better?

Either way it's out of your control and the only people dealing with late stage Ebola symptoms are health care professionals (like myself).

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I'll have to take your word for it but that does nor necessarily make me feel better. I am liable to talk to another health care professional and get an opposite opinion. It has nothing to do with being in control either just trying to learn more about it.

Unfortunately in the Ebola zone it is not only health care professionals dealing with late stage Ebola victims. That is for several reasons already laid out that I understand. That is why I was wondering if it was more easily transmitted due to having a higher viral load to these unprotected people making it harder to get under control.

Anyway it is going to a long while before the dust settles on this one and it gets sorted out. Going to be interesting if anything new is learned about Ebola from this outbreak.

Bob