US to Ease Cuba Embargo and Sanctions

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Originally Posted by pixelfixed

I may be wrong, But I think russia pulled out and disavowed Cuba long ago.

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That is my recollection as well. While Russia pulled their support, a lot of other countries continued to do business with Cuba, so it isn't as if they were left destitute. Living in South Florida it will be interesting to see what effect this will have on us here.

For me it is about time. Sent. Rubio spoke against Obama and called him a coward. The cowards are those that left Cuba decades ago leaving family behind instead of fighting for freedom. This country became free because our forfathers fought for it. Where would we be if they fled to Canada or South America instead of fighting. We cannot fight for every country that is not democratic. China is not democratic but we trade with them. Let's move forward and hope change will come.
On a lighter side. Think about all those straight razors in Cuba that may go up for sale!

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Originally Posted by OCDshaver

The fact of the matter is that this is another example of the president acting outside of his authority. The Cuban embargo was established over the years with a series of Congressional acts that established the embargo. Who is he to re-write congressional legislation?

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That's not historically accurate. Take a look at the congress bills on the matter, pay attention to the dates they were passed and enacted. From 1961 until 1992 the name of the country was present only in the executive order of president Kennedy which enacted those sanctions. The legislation he relied upon only establishes a statute and leaves it up to the executive branch to determine who fits into that statute and who doesn't.

If Obama is overstepping his authority the republican party will control both houses of congress next month and they should impeach him. Isn't that what they're paid to do, at least they've been talking for years about his tyranny but the only time they put their money where their mouth is was suing him for doing something they wanted :shrug:.

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Originally Posted by bouschie

The cowards are those that left Cuba decades ago leaving family behind instead of fighting for freedom.

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Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_missile_crisis

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Originally Posted by gugi

That'd be the Saudis and for them it's primarily about Iran. Destabilizing Russia is certainly an extremely dangerous game, hopefully the goal is to just keep them from the weapon of gas shortages for Europe over the winter months.

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Well, it's a way to really hurt Russia in General and Putin in particular at a very inconvenient time. A friend of mine has a relation with a Ukrainian, so I know som first hand stories about the situation there. Nato and the EU want to stop Putin's advance, but cannot risk open warfare. This is far more effective, makes Putin politically very vulnerable, and cannot be twisted into military propaganda.

The Cubans have been Russian allies again since Putin came to power.

and indeed what you say will play into it as well. We need Russian gas in the winter months. However, while Russia can hurt us, their problem is that they need to get rid of it in order to make some money. And the amount of gas produced equals the amount used. If they don't sell it to us, they'll have to seel it to someone else and as a result we'll be buying someone else's gas. It doesn't hurt to have them by the short and curlies of course.

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Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

That is my recollection as well. While Russia pulled their support, a lot of other countries continued to do business with Cuba, so it isn't as if they were left destitute. Living in South Florida it will be interesting to see what effect this will have on us here.

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The main industry is Cuba is tourism,Is a go to place for the rest of the world.
I have been to Cuba (leagally thru Canada)Is a magnificent Country with great people,great food, great fishing.

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Originally Posted by bouschie

For me it is about time. Sent. Rubio spoke against Obama and called him a coward. The cowards are those that left Cuba decades ago leaving family behind instead of fighting for freedom. This country became free because our forfathers fought for it.

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They fought the Indians for it. And Mexico as well when they acquired New Mexico and Texas. Hawai was sort of a WWII bonus.
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No country's forefathers are holy and noble. Countries are founded by butchers who get to write history when they're done.
Except Belgium of course. We got founded because our surrounding countries wanted to have a place where they could fight each other that was not on their own soil and could go home afterwards without having to clean up the mess after the party. They coudn't even find someone who wanted to be king here. The guy who did accept in the end called it the mistake of his life.

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Originally Posted by pixelfixed

I may be wrong, But I think russia pulled out and disavowed Cuba long ago.

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They still support Cuba Putin Writes Off $32 Billion of Cuba's Debts to Russia - The Wire .

Bob

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Originally Posted by gugi

That's not historically accurate. Take a look at the congress bills on the matter, pay attention to the dates they were passed and enacted. From 1961 until 1992 the name of the country was present only in the executive order of president Kennedy which enacted those sanctions. The legislation he relied upon only establishes a statute and leaves it up to the executive branch to determine who fits into that statute and who doesn't.

If Obama is overstepping his authority the republican party will control both houses of congress next month and they should impeach him. Isn't that what they're paid to do, at least they've been talking for years about his tyranny but the only time they put their money where their mouth is was suing him for doing something they wanted :shrug:.

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I stand corrected.

Can Obama lift Cuba embargo alone? | TheHill

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Originally Posted by Bruno

They fought the Indians for it. And Mexico as well when they acquired New Mexico and Texas. Hawai was sort of a WWII bonus.
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Remember the Alamo ? We went to war with Mexico and took a whole bunch of their country. Now, 150 years later, they're taking that back, and then some, and ain't fired a shot ! :gaah: ............ :banghead: