President of the US of A

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Originally Posted by Utopian

No. The pig was neither charged nor prosecuted. As such, he was a murder victim and not an executed prisoner. For that reason, I assume the sandwich is fair game.

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I'm gonna disagree. The pig was captive of a facility regulated by, and therefore executed according to, a federally appointed agency. It was capitol punishment without due process.

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Originally Posted by Utopian

I am convinced. I'm going to vote for the ham sandwich.

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You mean Trump? What a ham.

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Originally Posted by Uzi

Gugi, my friend. Bill isn't THE reason Hillary would be a terrible president. She's earned that distinction on her own.

1. Egypt -- Supporting the Muslim Brotherhood.
2. Benghazi -- Ignoring requests for additional security, then allowing the Ambassador, and others, to be killed without sending help and just going to bed for a pleasant night's sleep.
3. Russia -- Refusing to understand the threat that Putin poses in Europe.
4. Supporting massive troop withdrawals in the middle-east creating a vacuum which was filled by ISIS.
5. Refusing to identify the enemies of the U. S.
6. Trading favors to foreign governments and foreign interests in exchange for large "donations" to the Clinton Foundation.
7. Violating security protocols which, unless all foreign governments are completely incompetent, allowed top secret information to be accessed by foreign governments.
8. Putting an innocent man in jail for a film which is now proven to have NOT been the cause for the attacks on Benghazi -- he's still there by the way -- for exercising free speech.
9. For being a socialist (although she calls it "Progressive.")
10. Lying to congress while under oath and to the American people on a daily basis.
11. Refusing to release her speeches to Goldman Sachs.



I could go on, but the fact that she's married to and defends an alleged rapist and pedophile pales in comparison.

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Wow! That's some laundry list you got there. A lot of really damning allegations. I may have to change my mind about Hillary being a criminal. Oh wait ....... sorry I just noticed a complete lack of factual evidence. Oh well it's always better to form one's opinions on hyperbole versus actual facts. More fun that way.

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Originally Posted by Brenngun

Wow! That's some laundry list you got there. A lot of really damning allegations. I may have to change my mind about Hillary being a criminal. Oh wait ....... sorry I just noticed a complete lack of factual evidence. Oh well it's always better to form one's opinions on hyperbole versus actual facts. More fun that way.

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Ummmmm

Just to point out the not so obvious

o·pin·ion


/əˈpinyən/


noun

noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions

A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

In fact in the US Civil Courts the Preponderance of the Evidence can be used as a legal decision

My opinions :p with a smile


Bernie aka Eco-comical

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Hillary aka I am woman hear me meow

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Trump aka I actually like America

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Originally Posted by gssixgun

Ummmmm

Just to point out the not so obvious

o·pin·ion


/əˈpinyən/


noun

noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions

A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

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Yes, the best way to select the President of US, all of us can be proud of it! Who needs facts and knowledge when it's the opinion that matters and all opinions must be created equal!

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Originally Posted by gugi

See, I presented a comparison while you are saying that you see no point of talking anymore with people who you think disagree with your conclusion.
I found your arguments extremely weak and unconvincing, and you have already decided I am in the tank for 'the Clintons'.

If it'll make you sleep better I have very intentionally not voted in the last 20 years even if I find politics and how easy it is to manipulate people interesting enough to pay attention.

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If you find my arguments weak and unconvincining that's your gig and I am fine with letting you believe what you want ,I will not try to convince you anymore. If you want to disagree with me go for it that doesn't mean I am running away from you. Am I just supposed to go on an on till I have won you over ?? I tried giving you examples and you didn't buy it,fine don't then.We either agree or don't no pound of flesh to be had here. But spin it how you like. It doesn't matter what I think about you being in the tank about the Clintons by the way ,your assumption whether I think that or not, you put those words in my mouth . As far as my sleeping patterns,I sleep just fine whether I am manipulated by politics or not and I vote and am fine with doing so and it's your right as well to not vote and judge also. Ain't America great !

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Originally Posted by thebigspendur

The red button of doom? You mean the football. If it comes to it the President doesn't need the approval of anyone he makes the decision to input the codes all by his lonesome and the nukes are away. Congress doesn't do squat.

That's one reason other republicans are nervous about trump.

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So your saying the president can declare war on his own without Congress approval because last I checked, war is war declared unless of course the other side has already launched nukes first. And yes maybe I shouldn't have so carelessly said red button of doom which leads to endless microscopic analyzing and arguing. I think you know what I meant but sure if it comes down to nukes you may be right but as far as conventional war I do believe congress still needs to approve . I WAS WRONG . But here seems to be some clarification http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013...o-declare-war/

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Originally Posted by Brenngun

Wow! That's some laundry list you got there. A lot of really damning allegations. I may have to change my mind about Hillary being a criminal. Oh wait ....... sorry I just noticed a complete lack of factual evidence. Oh well it's always better to form one's opinions on hyperbole versus actual facts. More fun that way.

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Welcome to Merica...

It's our God given right and it's our constitutional right.

LMBO, I love when people say that.

We need a candidate that is in-between Trump and Hillary and I found the perfect one that will equally offend both sides.

Vote Hillarump 2016!!!

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It can use both bathrooms...

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Originally Posted by Nightblade

Condescending as that may be Gugi,if you find my arguments weak and unconvincining that's your gig and I am fine with letting you believe what you want to. I will not try to convince you anymore.If you want to disagree with me go for it that doesn't mean I am running away from you. Am I just supposed to go on an on till I have won you over ?? I tried giving you examples and you didn't buy it,fine don't then. I'm not going to force you or try to. I think You just like to keep the argument going till it's in your favor. That's okay man and you can personally attack me all you wish as well. Like I said, have a nice election or whatever,just have peace.It doesn't matter what I think about you being in the tank about the Clintons by the way ,your assumption whether I think that or not you put those words in my mouth which I believe may have just recently been brought up a post or two back.

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You didn't have to do anything, I wondered how you reconcile for example the failings of the Bill Clinton with the same failings of Donald Trump, and your response was that clearly you can not convince me the Clintons are worse than Trump, so you are giving up.

Which, honestly, you shouldn't have been trying in the first place, as I told you I don't care about convincing you who you should vote for or being convinced myself - I am just interested in the way people deal with the logical discrepancies.

The most common approach seems to be burying one's hand in the sand, focusing on only what one wants to see and pretending what one doesn't want to see is insignificant or may be doesn't even exist. I was hoping there'll be something else as well.
That's why it's not about keeping an argument going until it goes to my favor, it's about keeping it going until the logical contradictions are resolved.

Sorry about your frustrations, but I have not been hiding my interests or intentions trying to trick you, quote the opposite - you are the one who apparently decided to convince me that your candidate is better than the other candidate.

Finally, nice try, but I did not put any words in your mouth - you said that I can not be convinced the Clintons are worse than Trump, I have decided to believe what I want to believe and you are done with it. It is a fair interpretation of your words that you think I am a Clinton supporter.