President of the US of A

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Originally Posted by Suticat

Welcome to Merica...

It's our God given right and it's our constitutional right.

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Firstly, I think you may be mispronouncing it - Murika, not Merica.
Secondly, and it probably should be first, I think the origin of rights is still debatable; all we know is they don't come from the guvment, and are inalienable, but if it was God or Allah who gave them is still to be fought out. May be 'we make the sand glow' or they make it smolder, the time may be near but is not yet.

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Originally Posted by gugi

You didn't have to do anything, I wondered how you reconcile for example the failings of the Bill Clinton with the same failings of Donald Trump, and your response was that clearly you can not convince me the Clintons are worse than Trump, so you are giving up.

Which, honestly, you shouldn't have been trying in the first place, as I told you I don't care about convincing you who you should vote for or being convinced myself - I am just interested in the way people deal with the logical discrepancies.

The most common approach seems to be burying one's hand in the sand, focusing on only what one wants to see and pretending what one doesn't want to see is insignificant or may be doesn't even exist. I was hoping there'll be something else as well.
That's why it's not about keeping an argument going until it goes to my favor, it's about keeping it going until the logical contradictions are resolved.

Sorry about your frustrations, but I have not been hiding my interests or intentions trying to trick you, quote the opposite - you are the one who apparently decided to convince me that your candidate is better than the other candidate.

Finally, nice try, but I did not put any words in your mouth - you said that I can not be convinced the Clintons are worse than Trump, I have decided to believe what I want to believe and you are done with it. It is a fair interpretation of your words that you think I am a Clinton supporter.

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Well believe what you want and yes you did put words in my mouth but again nice spin. It's fair assumption when it's your side being attacked but not when it's mine but I digress I'm sure you'll be able to come up with yet another way to assert my statement about how everything the left gripes about the right,that can be said back, Cheers.

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Originally Posted by Nightblade

Well believe what you what and yes you did put words in my mouth but again nice spin. It's fair assumtion when it's your side being attacked but not when it's mine but I digress I'm sure you'll be able to come up with yet another way to assert my statement about how everything the left gripes about the right can be said back, Cheers.

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Nope, there is no point to keep telling you I don't have a side, when you see everything in terms of for one side or for the other and can't fathom something outside of this box.

Well Gugi how about this....Yeah I am voting for Trump because I agree with mostly what was said in post #821 by Uzi. As for you not taking sides fine. As for me not thinking outside the box....I am responding to the OP of this thread. Gee if a super candidate arises out of the mist to make both current candidates inferior then fine I'm in. It's not like we got the pick of the litter and I'm voting right or wrong. Yeah I'm taking a side and I'm okay with that unlike some who don't vote for twenty years but judge everyone and is amused by all of us monkies which is the vibe I "fairly assume" you are giving. I don't know what you want or maybe yer just trying to get a rise out of me and that's okay too. Enjoy. Well done. Preach on.

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Originally Posted by gugi

Nope, there is no point to keep telling you I don't have a side, when you see everything in terms of for one side or for the other and can't fathom something outside of this box.

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That's also a big part of the problems in our current govt. It's set up as an adversarial system. My side your side, dem or rep, left or right... So choosing sides is promoted and tolerated. That is until one side wins and wants to actually accomplish something that will take both parties to agree upon. Then if it doesn't pass because both sides can't agree, well then I'm sure you know how the rest of this story plays out. The ever popular and oh so tiresome song and dance of my side good, your side bad scenario.

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Originally Posted by Nightblade

I am responding to the OP of this thread.

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Uhm, responding to the original post was hundreds of posts ago - you were and are responding to my posts.

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Originally Posted by Nightblade

It's not like we got the pick of the litter and I'm voting right or wrong.

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That doesn't happen all on its own - the candidates are the result of people's decision making process, and unless people start evaluating differently nothing is going to change.

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Originally Posted by Nightblade

Yeah I'm taking a side and I'm okay with that unlike some who don't vote for twenty years but judge everyone

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No, I don't judge everyone, for the N-th time, I am simply trying to understand how we make the same bad choices that we end up hating so much and yet keep doing the same thing that yields us the same results. I'd rather learn from such mistakes even if other people or the society as a whole don't.

As far as not voting, I don't see anything wrong with that, just like I don't see anything wrong with voting. I simply don't find spending any of my time and effort on voting particularly useful - there are thousands of other things I would rather do instead, and so I do those.

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Originally Posted by gugi

That doesn't happen all on its own - the candidates are the result of people's decision making process, and unless people start evaluating differently nothing is going to change.

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See. Now here is a point of agreement. Generally, the electoral process comes down to a value judgement between the evil of two lessers. I will try make time to rebut your previous rebuttal when I get to a real computer.

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Originally Posted by thebigspendur

No, not at all.

If you think that is the case.

On a different note just keep in mind Trump was nothing but a playboy. He had so many girlfriends going on at the same time I wondered how he kept track of them. He ain't no moral icon.

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I don't think most Republicans care if Donald Trump has a penchant for dating some of the most beautiful women on the planet. Before you respond with "then how is that different than what Bubba does?" The difference is the same as the comparison between Warren Beatty and Bill Cosby.

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Originally Posted by Uzi

I don't think most Republicans care if Donald Trump has a penchant for dating some of the most beautiful women on the planet. Before you respond with "then how is that different than what Bubba does." The difference is the same as the comparison between Warren Beatty and Bill Cosby.

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Honestly I remember saying back then about Clinton

It is not our business who he sleeps with, I do not care, in fact if the man had simply said "Yeah I did so what" I would have actually gained a ton of respect for him...

In fact that is one of the refreshing things I see in Trump, he owns his own flaws, and I honestly think he just doesn't really care what you or I think about his personal life ..

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Originally Posted by Brenngun

Wow! That's some laundry list you got there. A lot of really damning allegations. I may have to change my mind about Hillary being a criminal. Oh wait ....... sorry I just noticed a complete lack of factual evidence. Oh well it's always better to form one's opinions on hyperbole versus actual facts. More fun that way.

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Democrats invariably use the Whitey Bolger defense. "If nobody saw it, it didn't happen." No claim is ever made of innocence, simply lack of evidence. Unfortunately for Hillary, there's plenty of evidence.