Government and taxes -> split from knives poll

[davisbonanza]

when we have to give up the right to keep and bear armes is the day when we have the right not to pay any more taxes. that should shut up all of them.

Our constitution gives us the right to keep and bear arms but it never gave the government the right to impose a direct tax on the people, ie, income tax. So I don't agree with your logic there, sorry.

[jockeys]

Our constitution gives us the right to keep and bear arms but it never gave the government the right to impose a direct tax on the people, ie, income tax. So I don't agree with your logic there, sorry.

oh really?
Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[JMS]

Our constitution gives us the right to keep and bear arms but it never gave the government the right to impose a direct tax on the people, ie, income tax. So I don't agree with your logic there, sorry.

oh really?
Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This might be the place to start a new thread guys!

[davisbonanza]

I just read most of the posts on this thread and I am very encouraged by the overall distrust of the governments in charge of whatever country you shave in. I have seen a lot of you trying to hold on to the idea of a two party system. Here in the US we have a few other parties who will have candidates on the ballot but will see little to no coverage from the main stream establishment media because they do not support the agenda of the New World Order, there, I said it. The establishment behind the establishment media and candidates are the ones pulling the strings of politicians and policy makers and they have the power. They are the corporate, banking, and royal elite who meet every year at the Bilderberg conference, they are the ones with the money, power, and technology to rule the masses. They are the corporate pharma and food that are poisoning you with crap food, drugs, and mercury in the vaccines. They are the Military Industrial Complex that will forever fund and arm both sides of any conflict, they always win. Until we abandon the two party system with candidates who are propped up by these murderous, power hungry, elite thugs, we will never be free people. Don't vote for one of their sides or the other because the candidate is "electable" because guess what, it's going to be one of them and they will both serve the same ultimate agenda, so choose the third side because it is right and it supports what you really believe. The votes here in America ,IMHO, have not really counted for years. Voting is a tool of the elite to make the sheep believe they actually make a difference. With the electoral college system and now the electronic voting systems, election integrity is non existent. Check out Bev Harris' book "Black Box Voting" for some good old fashioned reporting about the voting machines.

I supported Ron Paul's campaign and continue to support his message of liberty but deep down, I am truly an anarchist. I don't believe that as human beings we need the state to babysit us. I am also an agorist AGORIST HOME PAGE, I believe everything we need can be provided in a free and open market. There are many schools of thought within these philosophies so my beliefs and ideas are constantly evolving but at the core of it all is personal freedom and liberty for myself and my fellow man and woman.

Thanks for listening, We are on the march and the empire is on the run, take the fight to big brother!!!!

[davisbonanza]

This might be the place to start a new thread guys!

I'll post them when I find them, but the supreme court ruled in a few cases that the 16th amendment gave no new powers of taxation. They also ruled in the 1890s that federal income tax was unconstitutional so if it was so before the 16th and the 16th gave no new powers, then it must still be unconstitutional. Again, I will either cite my claims or retract them.

[JMS]

I just read most of the posts on this thread and I am very encouraged by the overall distrust of the governments in charge of whatever country you shave in. I have seen a lot of you trying to hold on to the idea of a two party system. Here in the US we have a few other parties who will have candidates on the ballot but will see little to no coverage from the main stream establishment media because they do not support the agenda of the New World Order, there, I said it. The establishment behind the establishment media and candidates are the ones pulling the strings of politicians and policy makers and they have the power. They are the corporate, banking, and royal elite who meet every year at the Bilderberg conference, they are the ones with the money, power, and technology to rule the masses. They are the corporate pharma and food that are poisoning you with crap food, drugs, and mercury in the vaccines. They are the Military Industrial Complex that will forever fund and arm both sides of any conflict, they always win. Until we abandon the two party system with candidates who are propped up by these murderous, power hungry, elite thugs, we will never be free people. Don't vote for one of their sides or the other because the candidate is "electable" because guess what, it's going to be one of them and they will both serve the same ultimate agenda, so choose the third side because it is right and it supports what you really believe. The votes here in America ,IMHO, have not really counted for years. Voting is a tool of the elite to make the sheep believe they actually make a difference. With the electoral college system and now the electronic voting systems, election integrity is non existent. Check out Bev Harris' book "Black Box Voting" for some good old fashioned reporting about the voting machines.

I supported Ron Paul's campaign and continue to support his message of liberty but deep down, I am truly an anarchist. I don't believe that as human beings we need the state to babysit us. I am also an agorist AGORIST HOME PAGE, I believe everything we need can be provided in a free and open market. There are many schools of thought within these philosophies so my beliefs and ideas are constantly evolving but at the core of it all is personal freedom and liberty for myself and my fellow man and woman.

Thanks for listening, We are on the march and the empire is on the run, take the fight to big brother!!!!

Where's the connection to the conversation that we are having? You should definitely start a thread on the subject, but don't hijack this thread!


Back to your regularly scheduled program!

[davisbonanza]

I'm sorry,
You are right JMS, I guess I got off on a rant but I guess I was coming from the general feeling of distrust of a government trying to disarm the people in the posts on this thread. Did not mean to totally digress. Sometimes when I get started, its like a freight train, that's why I have refrained from replying to a lot of these threads for so long.

Back to the topic, guns and knives and laws over such things......

[JMS]

I'm sorry,
You are right JMS, I guess I got off on a rant but I guess I was coming from the general feeling of distrust of a government trying to disarm the people in the posts on this thread. Did not mean to totally digress. Sometimes when I get started, its like a freight train, that's why I have refrained from replying to a lot of these threads for so long.

Back to the topic, guns and knives and laws over such things......

Please, start a thread! I have a feeling that what ever topic you choose, it will be a lively thread! And I, for one, will look forward to it!

[Bruno]

Hey I just started this one.
Now don't go wasting perfectly good threads

[nun2sharp]

Oooooh! Poor Bruno.... are you feeling left out?