First Post on Badger and Blade gets me banned!?

Afternoon All,

Ok, so I'll admit I didn't look over their rules for their B/S/T before I tried to post, honest mistake; I didn't realize it was any different than on here. Apparently, while I was busy adding a second post for my FS thread a Mod posted for me to read their rules. I post a second post under the thread and see his post and then PM him to apologize. Then I try to delete my thread and I get banned forever. All in under four minutes, wow.

I sent an email to forum admin, but haven't heard back yet.
Any ideas, opinions, or help?

Very Respectfully,
Scott

Let's move this to "The Conversation" as it would be more appropriate here. Even though it is more appropriate here, the conversation around this should remain gentlemanly as possible. Insults and/or derogatory comments towards another forum will not be tolerated.

Thank you for your cooperation.

I understand completely, I don't wish to insult or degrade another forum in any way. I was just wondering what advice some might offer in the case aforementioned.

Very Respectfully,
Scott

The email / PM to the moderator or to an admin is probably your best bet. If you explain as you explained here, *I* would be lenient enough to give you another chance. Good luck!

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Originally Posted by Smurf87

I understand completely, I don't wish to insult or degrade another forum in any way. I was just wondering what advice some might offer in the case aforementioned.

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Personally, I believe the best way forward is to confront them them with two simple truths:

1. You are totally new to leg shaving.
2. You were never interested in marriage aids in the first place.

That really should do the trick.

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Originally Posted by Smurf87

Very Respectfully,

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Ooops, sorry, missed that part. Never you mind, though. Personal experience, for all things straight razor, you will be better off here.

ByronTodd, do you not dare to ban me for this post. Or else.

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Originally Posted by BeBerlin

Personal experience, for all things straight razor, you will be better off here.

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+1 on that. The only thing I hear about B+B is people posting here confused about why they have been banned on B+B. Much like yourself. On the other hand here people are falling over themselves to help you.

Gentlemanly enough for you Byron? I tell you I had to do several drafts of this post.... :cen

I was just into the buy/sell forum at B&B - your name is not showing banned under it ... you may now be unbanned!

I think what might have happened...is that the thread migh have been closed

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Originally Posted by sidneykidney

+1 on that. The only thing I hear about B+B is people posting here confused about why they have been banned on B+B. Much like yourself. On the other hand here people are falling over themselves to help you.

Gentlemanly enough for you Byron? I tell you I had to do several drafts of this post.... :cen

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Just checked, still banned forever.

I have come to enjoy the community here, especially that fact that everyone wants to help everyone. I was just trying to spread around to different places some things I am trying to sell. In fact, before I was banned I received a PM about one of my items for sale, but couldn't reply because of the ban.
I think the Mod that I was dealing with went by AACJ, but I can't do anything over there now besides log in/out.

Thanks again for the input!

Very Respectfully,
Scott

Hopefully they will un-ban you [never thought I'd use the phrase "un-ban"].

But if you are forever exiled and need a second site beyond SRP, shavemyface.com is another great site, particularly for soaps/creams/fragrances, and their straight razor forum is rarely frequented but as a result if you post there, you will get instant feedback from a couple of guys that really know their stuff. Between that and SRP you should be in shaving site heaven.

Well I joined there last year to PM a member about some troubles I was having. Made no post whatsoever and my account was deleted. No great loss as far as I'm concerned.

On a brighter note for you though, it took less than 4mins for you to learn why SRP is the #1 ranked shaving community. ;)

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Originally Posted by sidneykidney

+1 on that. The only thing I hear about B+B is people posting here confused about why they have been banned on B+B. Much like yourself.

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Exactly, I couldn't tell you how many threads and or posts there are with people upset over unjustified or ridiculous bannings from that place.

Smurf,

B&B does seem to be a rather prickly site. Many notables here, who are or have been members there, have run into troubles with the mods there. I can't understand the reason for the short fuses on matters which seem most innocuous, but also realize that there are many, many others who have a much better grasp of modern communications and all its implications. Obviously you must have implied some subtley which was inferred to have caused tsunami like waves which badgered some poor blade.:nono:

We feel for you:w

Well I am a member of B&B and am happily still a member. They are very kind and helpful. I have received lots of helpful advise and encouragement and found the forum to be a very kind community. I couldn’t believe that kind of atmosphere could be generated online. After being a member for a short while i joined SRP and found it to be the same.
B&B seems to really want to run a tight ship and make sure everything runs well and there for want to very in control of everything. I dont think this is really a bad thing but you can run into troubles as the mishap in your case.
If they dont get back to you soon ill go in and PM some people to see if they will listen to one of there own members.
But i assure you it is a great forum, people are very kind and giving so dont write it off because of a miss communication. :)

+Buckler

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Originally Posted by Buckler

... B&B seems to really want to run a tight ship ...

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Personally, that's exactly why I don't participate there. One size seldom fits all. IMHO, freedom to express one's self individually is what makes forum communities vibrant. Unfortunately, there is only one shaving forum that remains (essentially) self moderating.

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Originally Posted by Hooper

Personally, that's exactly why I don't participate there. One size seldom fits all. IMHO, freedom to express one's self individually is what makes forum communities vibrant. Unfortunately, there is only one shaving forum that remains (essentially) self moderating.

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Running a tight ship and rigorously enforcing the rules is something you'd expect of the military, not a group of hobbyist enthusiasts who participate in an open forum.

If I had to do that, I'd be banning people every day, because every day there is someone who posts something in the heat of the discussion that he shouldn't, and every day there is a newbie who makes a mistake, and every day there is a misunderstanding which is caused by the fact that we communicate only in text.

Instead, I start with the assumption that forgot in the heat of the discussion that you can't post certain things, and that newbies will make initial mistakes, and that misunderstandings happen.
And on that assumption I will try to work things out so that nobody loses.
95% of the time, things will work out after a couple PMs and everything is cool again.

Only if that approach fails am I going to consider handing out a ban. And even then, usually it is only 3 days to give people some time to cool off before coming back. Only in the rarest cases will I issue a permanent ban.

Because ultimately, we are all here for the same reason: shaving. So there is no point in running this like a military operation, because it simply isn't.

I personally have never felt the need to post in any other forum but this one (not that I post all that much). I find the atmosphere here to be friendly and helpfull, and the members here are second to none IMHO.

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Originally Posted by OLD_SCHOOL

No great loss as far as I'm concerned.

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+1
To me... this says it all.

Smurf, sorry to hear of your troubles at B&B, I'm also a member over there and very seldom even post or visit. The two sites I do visit on a regular basis are this one, it's A1 numero uno as far as I'm concerned, and The Shave Den. Shave my face is good also, but I rarely visit. As long as you've found the best, why mess with the rest?

Meh. I'm a member over at B&B, and much more "active" there. I find both there and here are very good forums, with no complaints.

Just an Update, still banned.... I guess there's no point in hoping they'll see my message and realize it was just a misunderstanding. Owell, no big loss IMHO...

Thanks again everyone for your insights into my problem!

Very Respectfully,
Scott

Personally, I don't understand the whole fascination with banning people from an online forum. Yes, there are times when people egregiously break rules and must be dealt with but most of the time people make honest mistakes. Say, "don't do that anymore," and move on.

What's the deal?!?

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Originally Posted by Jfala

Personally, I don't understand the whole fascination with banning people from an online forum. Yes, there are times when people egregiously break rules and must be dealt with but most of the time people make honest mistakes. Say, "don't do that anymore," and move on.

What's the deal?!?

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It's like anything else, some folks just can't handle power. They let the authority get to them and then go off on an ego trip.

Scott:
I just looked at your profile on B&B and it says: Last Activity: Today 01:01 am.

Try to start a new thread and see what happens.

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Originally Posted by Smurf87

Just an Update, still banned.... I guess there's no point in hoping they'll see my message and realize it was just a misunderstanding. Owell, no big loss IMHO...

Thanks again everyone for your insights into my problem!

Very Respectfully,
Scott

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Very respectfully, that's a shame. You are not alone.

I got a PM from one of their moderators over Memorial Day weekend giving me a four point sanction for ungentlemanly behavior for mentioning a vendor that competes with one of their other moderators in a post that I had made made at several weeks earlier - I don't think my post actually violated their rules incidentally because it didn't link to the "offending" site, but that's neither here nor there - I suspect he was really docking me for criticizing Joel for smearing a vendor a couple of days before that, but who knows.

Anyway, I couldn't believe that the moderator had nothing better to do on Memorial Day weekend than "catch up on his banning" - I was having a nice weekend with my wife and little girls and watching things about the troops, and I remember just wondering how lonely this guy must be that on a holiday weekend he's taking the time to send petty PMs to assert his "authority". I also thought it was pretty funny that they are so into the art of banning that they actualy have a point system.

There are probably 5,000 great guys that post there and a handful of very very important twenty-something moderators that are "prickly" as someone put it, but it's a shame.

Sorry to burst your bubble....but most larger forums do. As do we. It's called an infraction system. That way we can pretty much keep track of troublemakers if needs be.

Infraction system??:nono:

Mods, oh mods, is there somewhere we can see how many infractions we have been given (earned)? Are the pluses and minuses each given a different color to make for quicker scanning? Do the positive merits counteract negative demerits? If we've been bad and then become really good, can we get a hug?

Will you give me any warning before you yank my plug?

The only infraction I know of at this point - and you can check my title there ;) - is the one for spamming. That particular infraction earns a person a lifetime ban.

As long as a member follows the rules - which boil down to acting civilly and respectfully - you'll never have a problem with SRP. It's pretty simple.

To further qualify: we have an infraction system, simply because it is part of any forum software in existence.
We don't actually use it, except for allowing mods to instantly ban spammers. It is not set up to do anything else but that.

We've discussed it, and decided unanimously that that was not the way we want to run this place. We are not school teachers handing out bad grades and keeping score. Mistakes happen. If we would invent and enforce a point system, that would mean we would be forgetting what this place is all about: fostering a community.

And imo, that is not something you do from within an untouchable ivory tower.

Dear mods,

Thank you. With your reassurances I'll be able to sleep tonight and shave with a steady hand tomorrow morning.:bow

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and maybe I'll have a Spam sandwich for lunch.:y