I didn't know I had such power Brad...Next stop, Emperor of the World!! Hey, I like that title!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by icedog
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I didn't know I had such power Brad...Next stop, Emperor of the World!! Hey, I like that title!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by icedog
Sarah Palin at home:
aaaaaaaaaaaaahaha - Weebl's Stuff
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Originally Posted by JMS
Hey, please stay on topic. We are gathered here today to bash that imbecile known as Sarah Palin. If you can't say something nasty about her here, don't say anything at all.
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Originally Posted by icedog
The Associated Press: Palin criticizes Obama over ACORN, view of America
Gosh, I'm so dern proud to be an Amer'kin!
So I guess anyone who doesn't agree with this psycho is not proud to be an American? This woman is dumb as a bag of hammers.....and I can tell you where I'd like to put a steel-toed boot.
(Scissors, scissors! Get me scissors! I can't take those stupid bangs! Aaaahhhh!)
I am only continuing this conversation because the OP seems to be allowing it. Say the word Brad and I will cease and desists and wait for a thread split!
Now about this:
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Originally Posted by hoglahoo
Hi All,
Yowieeee, looks like a few posts are kinda pushing the envelope here. The discussing of politics has enough emotion and drama for me, and I'm not even gonna touch abortion. Nope, I'm not gonna mention my thoughts on it, and I know I'll be better off this way. I've gotten into situations in the past on other forums, and would prefer keeping things on the lighter side.
So, let me include a few videos some of you might enjoy. The first is one I'd recommend Mrs Palin using in some way, possibly during a rally of hers. It's called 'People Like Us', and I think you'll maybe see how it applies to the strategy picked for her to use. Hehe, it's also a good cut, and John Goodman does a nice job with it.
The next one...........well, I'm including it cause it's pretty funny video, but it's also another good song. Yeah, it's called 'Dream Operator', and both songs are originally done by The Talking Heads. These are in a movie called 'True Stories', and it's quite a nicely warped film. I highly recommend seeing this one if you have a twisted sense of humor, (and you like the music that group does).
Maybe this will lighten the mood a bit,
Martin
YouTube - People Like Us. John Goodman in True Stories
YouTube - Dream Operator - TRUE STORIES - TALKING HEADS
You can easily continue with your argument and still bash Palin. For example, I went to a grocery store today and there was this incredibly ugly woman who was pregnant. I spent some time campaigning for abortion. I begged her to go through with an abortion to save the world from another ugly child. She said she'd think about it. After all, Sarah Palin is a stupid liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by sicboater
See, it's easy and fun too!
No sense doing something halfway.Quote:
Originally Posted by icedog
To quote er uh you, "Please refrain from these comments as they are inappropriate to this thread!" The main reason is because Sarah Palin is a very good reason to not vote for McCain.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMS
OK, as requested again, I will say something bad about Palin. I will say the worst thing I can think of to say about her... 1.... 2... 3....
"Sara Palin is a politician!"
There are none so blind as those that will not see:Quote:
Originally Posted by maplemaker
YouTube - Sarah Palin Holds Forth on Bush Doctrine, Pakistan
She's pretty lameo on SNL tonight. Just showing her face. That's it. Horrible, worse than not going. I guess it's her way of accepting Fey, instead of labeling it as evil media from Russia.
In Mother Russia, dumb ass hockey Moms bomb YOU.
I hate to break it to you, but the ability of a politician to talk around a question without giving an answer is hardly unique to Sarah Palin or the Republican party.Quote:
Originally Posted by icedog
And don't think I'm defending her policies or stances on issues, because honestly, I don't really know or keep up with them. IMO, the two party system and the whole campaign process is a huge joke on the American people.
I wish there were honest people that could make it to that level, but unless you're a backstabbing, lying, complete tool with no morals or ethics, I don't think you can make it to the top in American politics.
As someone on another forum I frequent said after Mccain basically said he supported waterboarding(even after being a pow who got tortured) - "John Mccain would waterboard his own mother if it meant getting the presidency"
Hi All,
I'll be attending this event, and hope to meet some members from SRP. I'll be driving to Iowa, starting from California ( a small town called San Anselmo). Anyone interested in sharing transportation and motel expenses? Should be a very wonderful event!
See you there,
Martin
Sarah Palin Week!
:roflmao:rofl2::bow
This is really funny
YouTube - Terry Tate: Reading Is Fundamental
The Associated Press: Palin tells kids the vice president 'runs' Senate
I want to be shocked, but am not, which is, in and of itself, depressing.....
It makes me wonder at the percentage of Americans - even of her generation - who are that ignorant of the functions of their own government.
Well, I wasn't half surprised either.Quote:
Originally Posted by icedog
I can understand the first time he won. He shouldn't have imo, but at least everybody except the Texans could claim they didn't know what they were getting that time around (do you remember:' a republican with a heart' :roflmao).
But when he got re-elected I was stunned. I didn't know all that much about Kerry, but looking at it with hindsight, it is hard to imagine how he would have done worse...
Palin looks like she was cast from the same mold as dubya.
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Originally Posted by JMS
No offense, but aren't there far more important things when deciding who gets to run the country? Like, how they actually plan to do it, or what the expectations are? Whether they can be trusted to try and get the economy to its feet, or if they are intelligent enough not to continue with the terrorist paranoia, or if they respect the constitution enough to prevent them from violating it openly?Quote:
Originally Posted by hoglahoo
I am not going to open the debate on abortion here, but consider this:
a) supposing Obama is pro-choice (I haven't checked), that doesn't mean he is killing fetuses himself.
b) supposing McCain gets elected, it won't change a thing. Abortion is legal and it will stay legal unless you allow the president to outlaw it (which is a very un-republican thing to think).
So either way, the stance of the president on abortion is moot.
And as a good christian, Bush is also against abortion. Did that make him a better president? Did that make him respect the constitution?
Don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoglahoo
Is it ever worth taking a life if there is a good chance that it is that of an innocent person?
Bruno, I think a nominees position on abortion is of the utmost importance!
How a person regards the life of a fetus, or as some like to speculate, the potential life of a fetus is an indication how someone will regard you and me in their decisions that will have an impact on us, and, as a good friend of mine likes to point out which I'll paraphrase, "the question of abortion, whether legal or not, is still a philosophical question. If their is even the slightest question as to whether a fetus is alive Shouldn't we err in favor of the fetus?" Thanks Lee!!
Legal or not I would prefer that the man I vote for to be the leader of our nation not be cavalier concerning the question of life!
I can see your point, but Bush is as fundamental on this issue as you can get. Is he a better president for it? does he hold life in high regard? No, he isn't, and no, he doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMS
I could rephrase your argument, and ask if someone should be executed if there is even the slightest chance he was innocent. Personally I don't think so. There are enough documented cases of obvious and less obvious mistakes, and innocent people have been executed because of it.
Bush was the governor of the no.1 state in the execution list
Number of Executions by State and Region Since 1976 | Death Penalty Information Center
And he has served for 8 years. So under him, there were (rough guess) 100 executions, which means there is a good chance that under his authority, at least 1 innocent was executed.
Did you hold that against him?
someone who is very much pro death penalty is ok, but someone who is pro choice would be bad?
And regardless of their stance, does that make them a better leader? Looking at the past 8 years, I'd say no.
Bruno, if you are making this argument to show the logical failings of some people when it comes to voting I agree with much of what you say, but if you are pointing out what you believe are my inconsistencies then you have no idea who I am or what I believe in!
I have noticed the general tendencies around here (especially during election season) to paint everyone with a broad brush! We are seen as conservative,liberal,Canadian, American, straight shaver, safety razor shaver, etc, etc, etc, but we are all individuals who have different experiences, different beliefs, different points of view based on upbringing and countless other influences! When we address other posts we should keep this in mind!
That was the point of my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMS
That was not the point of my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMS
I just wanted to point out that voting for McCain solely on his pro-life stance is as illogical as voting against McCain for his pro death penalty stance.
Imo an election is a matter of fitting a job description + specific requirements with the most suitable candidate for the job, based on the whole picture, and not looking at 1 specific issue.
My own views on abortion and the death penalty are not black and white either, and more complex than what I can write down in a couple of paragraphs.
I assume yours are similarly complex because rarely are issues black and white.
So this was in no way a judgement of you or your character (or of Lee's for that matter)
Bruno, the president nominates the supreme court justices (they still have to get confirmed at legislation), and the abortion question is in their power (to move the decision to state level, or why not criminalize it on federal level). Few old people on the court right now, so it's expected that the next president will get to appoint some justices. Of course they all tell you there's no litmus test, but the fact that Lee and many others feel so strongly about who gets to nominate tells you that actualy there is an implicit litmus test.
How alive is a a fertilized egg is pretty settled, the question is at which point it gets its 'unalienable rights' under the US constitution.
Thanks Bruno! I was hoping that I was misreading your intent!
I know how it works, but one of the amazing things is that the supreme judges seem to do a relatively good job of remaining impartial. I don't know if it is true or not, but I once read that supreme judges are observed not to have any special disposition towards the president who appointed them.Quote:
Originally Posted by gugi
That is the sticking point of course.Quote:
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Personally I draw the line at the end of the first trimester, unless special circumstances are involved like life threatening condition of the mother or if the fetus develops a condition that pretty much guarantees a short life full of agony, like spina bifida combined with britle bone disease.
Btw this is going seriously off-topic so if anyone is intersted in continuing with this abortion tangent I'll split it off into a new thread.
None taken. No, I think doing everyone one can within the boundaries of the Constitution to defend the essential liberties of innocent residents of the US comes first and foremost in the Presidency (and nobody's liberty trumps another's.) What good is skillful manipulation of a "free" economy if a million members of the next generation are killed each year? There isn't a politician I trust to get the economy to its feet. The role of the President is to protect the people's liberties by enforcing the laws that have already been passed and by approving protective laws that Congress writes. Intelligent enough to recognize that defending that terrorism is a real threat ought to be a prerequisite too. Both McCain and Obama say they understand that. I don't know what you refer to by terrorist paranoia (maybe they are not smart enough?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
I am not going to answer and debate questions on abortion here, but consider that Bush has not signed any major legislation to loosen the current restrictions on abortion and has appointed justices who do not appear to lean toward the judges who voted in favor of the final decision in Roe v Wade. The President can't outlaw abortion; he could support and sign a Constitutional Amendment to ban it, but the likelihood of that happening is far less than simply tipping the balance in the Supreme Court through justice appointments and waiting for another case come up through the courts allowing the Supreme Court to overturn it (as far as I understand it anyway)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
I don't know, but I do know that the unborn are innocent without exceptionQuote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
But I guess you think it is:
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Originally Posted by Bruno
Hey people people people let's get back on topic please. Talk about abortion elsewhere. This thread is strictly to bash Sarah Palin. Here, watch this video:
YouTube - Sarah Palin Family Meeting
And as it says in the forum Guidelines, "...Avoid comments which do not enhance the thread, steer away from the topic..."
Thanks,
Braddiesaurus Rex (king of the Braddiesaurs)
Oops! Sorry Brad, I totally forgot that this was the thread I told you I wouldn't reply to more off-topic de-baiting in :o
Palin is a feather-ruffler! Her bangs annoy people! Arrrrrgh! :medvl:
What amuses me is that Palin is so bad at hiding the dirt of her past (or rather, to have made the mistake ofnot making sure the dirt is not traceable to her).
It's almost funny that she is considered a VP candidate.
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Originally Posted by Bruno
Its almost as if she were picked to be a handicap!
Yeah, I remember watching that one live. I think two or three of my teeth popped out my jaw dropped open so fast. "What do you mean, the Bush doctrine? Do you mean how we have to watch out for nukular terrurists from space stealing up all our freedoms?" :gaah: Think how sad... almost what? 350 million people in this nation and these four clowns are the best we could come up with for the finals?Quote:
Originally Posted by icedog
I can't believe the RNC spent $150,000 on her wardrobe, make-up, and hair!....and still came out looking like that!
Gah!:rofl2:
Mark
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Originally Posted by maplemaker
She did not actually say that, did she?