Behold, the future...No thanks!!

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Originally Posted by syslight

I thought we covered this one once before.. but i did not see it in the search. the onstar system keeps me from buying another GM product and the technology has been available ever since onstar first came out. By the way any one notice that the government is about to buy the auto makers? just think have great this will be when they have it set so that your car is designed to only go up to the speed limit... and the police will be able to stop you from their car, maybe to "check your travel papers" at will. Oh happy day!

nope I'm not a conspiracy theorist just analyzing the trends

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I thought we did too:shrug:

I'm against it. Yeah, it's a neat thing and I'm sure it would come in handy if the case arose, but I don't trust a company like GM to have that kind of power, nor do I trust any part of our government with it either. Yet another reason I bought a Dodge...

The only new car from GM I think I'd like to get my mitts on is a Camaro, and I would actively find ways to rid it of the OnStar components, whether it means shielding the satellite sending unit or removing it altogether. Besides the Camaro, I think I can stick with the oldies.

@Quick: OBD I actually came out far earlier than 94. Its first mandated use was in 87 by California, but the framework behind it actually came out in 75.:eek: You're right on OBD II though- mandated use was for model year 96 onward. The main difference between the two (if anyone is interested) is that ODB II has a standard system and a standard plug for diagnostics. Most OBD I systems work on a series of flashing light codes.

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Originally Posted by Wildtim

Exactly.

The government only has the right to regulate your use on the roads. when you are on private property the government has no right whatsoever to control your vehicles use, without the express consent of the property owner.

This gives remote control to whomever manages to hack the system, it could be the government controlling your car, or possibly not. Think about that for a bit, electronic linked ability to shut down any car through a computer network, and you all though e-mail worms were bad.

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Hey Tim.
You might want to tag this post for historical value.
For once we are in complete agreement. :)

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Originally Posted by syslight

um, how many old car you driving around there Bruno? most cars since the late 1980's have been computer controlled , electronic ignition setups.

i have a few but then I'm anti-establishment!

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Most cars (all?) made in the last 10 years are indeed controlled by electronics.
But cars made before 1995 or so did not have this. And there are indeed a lot of those still driving around.
I've heard (but don't know for sure) that the US was a couple of years ahead of europe with integrated electronics.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Hey Tim.
You might want to tag this post for historical value.
For once we are in complete agreement. :)

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I don't know about complete.

I can also say with all candor that things like this is one of the reasons I am completely against any type of gun control. The people need any bit of power they can manage keep out of the scabby grasp of the government and the power to put that government down when it gets to old and flea ridden.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Most cars (all?) made in the last 10 years are indeed controlled by electronics.
But cars made before 1995 or so did not have this. And there are indeed a lot of those still driving around.
I've heard (but don't know for sure) that the US was a couple of years ahead of europe with integrated electronics.

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Please see my post:D Most cars in the US from model year 88 onward have these.

Yet another reason muscle cars are the way to go! Nothing but raw engine power and a crazy behind the wheel:roflmao

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Originally Posted by Wildtim

The people need any bit of power they can manage keep out of the scabby grasp of the government and the power to put that government down when it gets to old and flea ridden.

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I don't want to be the defeatist voice here, but the days have LONG since passed when citizens bore the same type of weaponry used by the government. In a true altercation, if there ever was one, the "arms" we bear would be woefully inadequate.

Chris L

Just one more hackable device on the planet. Let them put this tech in every vehicle from my car and motorcycle to grandma's hoveround scooter. I don't care because there will be a way to hack it. Remote wireless signal? Jam it. Chip set? Pull and replace it. God I love a challenge. :D

-Rob

It's a security feature that the owner has the right to refuse. I have to pull over for cops. It's the law. Trying to avoid it just makes things worse. Now there's the chance to make me comply before I kill somebody. What's wrong with that? Oh right. I don't get my high speed chance to get away.

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Originally Posted by Chris L

I don't want to be the defeatist voice here, but the days have LONG since passed when citizens bore the same type of weaponry used by the government. In a true altercation, if there ever was one, the "arms" we bear would be woefully inadequate.

Chris L

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If there would ever be a US revolution, it would be stomped on so hard you wouldn't know what hit you.
Even GWH would not stand a chance if the government got serious about making an example.
If the military is not on your side, you have 0% chance of success.
If the military IS on your side, you have no need of guns for the purpose of power over the government.

Not only do you not have the guns to match the army (which is in general a good thing impo) but unless I am mistaken, you cannot even make real plans or organize yourself with the intent to do so without earning yourself an 'all expenses paid' holiday in an undisclosed location.

From that perspective, the 2nd amendement is basically a hollow one.

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Originally Posted by Wildtim

I don't know about complete.

I can also say with all candor that things like this is one of the reasons I am completely against any type of gun control. The people need any bit of power they can manage keep out of the scabby grasp of the government and the power to put that government down when it gets to old and flea ridden.

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I meant complete about this topic. My example of gun control was to illustrate the difference between gun control and this car thing.